2016 Barcelona MotoGP Race Result: Tough Battle Makes Race for the Ages

Valentino Rossi has taken second win of the year, winning a fierce, race-long battle to hold off Marc Marquez and get revenge for last time out at Mugello. 

Rossi gave himself plenty of work to do. A poor start saw him drop down the order on the first lap, as Jorge Lorenzo got a rocketship launch to lead into the first corner. Marc Marquez followed the Movistar Yamaha, sitting on his tail while Dani Pedrosa forced his way past Andrea Iannone, along with Maverick Viñales, putting in a strong ride on the Suzuki. Lorenzo pushed for a gap, with Marquez chasing, while Rossi had to pull out all the stops to make his way forward.

But catch them he did. By lap 3, Rossi was on the back of Pedrosa into third. A couple of laps later he was on to the back of Marquez, and ready for his next move. 

Rossi's pursuit had perhaps been helped by Jorge Lorenzo, who had not been able to capitalize on his start. The world champion was struggling with tires, and unable to sustain much of a pace. Lorenzo lasted just a couple of laps in the lead, before both Rossi and Marquez found their way past. 

Lorenzo's woes were only just beginning. Later, he would be passed by both Dani Pedrosa and Maverick Viñales, then chased down by Andrea Iannone. Iannone's eagerness to pass overcame his talent, and he braked way too hot into Turn 10, and slammed into the rear wheel of Lorenzo, taking both men down. A furious Lorenzo was out of the race, and giving up all of his advantage in the championship.

At the front, the battle was not yet done. Though Rossi led, Marquez was clearly biding his time. It was not easy, though, as the Spaniard nearly lost control of his Repsol Honda, hanging right off the bike through the new chicane, but miraculously not losing any time. With four laps to go, Marquez opened hostilities, passing Rossi into Turn 10, but running wide in the process. From that point on the lead swapped hands several times, especially along the front straight and into Turn 1. 

Rossi finally got the upper hand with two laps to go. The Movistar Yamaha rider was still setting an incredible pace, Marquez struggling to keep up. After the Repsol Honda rider braked just a little too late into Turn 7, he lost too much ground to Rossi, and the Italian went on to claim a well-deserved victory. Marquez was content to settle for second, and the lead in the championship, while Dani Pedrosa rode home to a comfortable third. Maverick Viñales came home in fourth after a very strong ride, ahead of a staunch performance on medium tires by Pol Espargaro.

Lorenzo's crash has turned the championship open again, turning a lead of 15 points into a deficit of 10 points. Rossi closes his gap to Lorenzo to 12 points, and now trails Marquez by 23 points.

Results:

Pos No Rider Bike Time/Diff
1 46 Valentino Rossi Yamaha 44'37.589
2 93 Marc Marquez Honda 2.652
3 26 Dani Pedrosa Honda 6.313
4 25 Maverick Viñales Suzuki 24.388
5 44 Pol Espargaro Yamaha 29.546
6 35 Cal Crutchlow Honda 36.244
7 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati 41.464
8 19 Alvaro Bautista Aprilia 42.975
9 9 Danilo Petrucci Ducati 45.337
10 8 Hector Barbera Ducati 46.669
11 43 Jack Miller Honda 49.514
12 6 Stefan Bradl Aprilia 55.133
13 50 Eugene Laverty Ducati 57.974
14 53 Tito Rabat Honda +1'00.141
15 51 Michele Pirro Ducati +1'00.429
16 45 Scott Redding Ducati +1'16.269
17 68 Yonny Hernandez Ducati 1 Lap
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  41 Aleix Espargaro Suzuki 7 Laps
  99 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 9 Laps
  29 Andrea Iannone Ducati 9 Laps
  38 Bradley Smith Yamaha 19 Laps
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A classic confrontation between the best three motorcycle racers of this era, and the one we have been waiting for. Lorenzo couldn't keep up today, but he did not deserve that Iannone blunder. It's a cruel sport. RIP LS39.

In the wake of Luis Salom's demise, it's nice to see Rossi and Marquez shook hands in parc ferme. Solid race by both too. Hopefully a bridge is being built again. Such can the loss of someone remind us of the more important things in life.

What was Iannone trying to do though?

In light of that handshake, it would be nice to hear whether or not Rossi starts attending the safety commision after this. 

Epic? Not really, especially compared to last race. Rossi and Marquez both rode brilliantly but just two passes doesn't make a fight epic. It could have been if Marquez didn't make the mistake and settle for second.

Rossi's crew clearly has found a way to handle the very hot conditions, Lorenzo has some work to do there.

Is it just me, or was this merely a very good race rather than an epic or monumental one? We have seen some truly fantastic MotoGP races with high-speed action and position swapping up to the end. This was not one of them. Once in front of Lorenzo, Rossi was in the lead for most of the race, no one other than Marquez was nearby, and there were only a few scintillating moments in my recollection. Viñales was good but not fantastic. Crutchlow did well, but Dovi and several others experienced good but not fantastic performances. I do not wish to diminish an incredible race by Marquez (whose ride on a recalcitrant Honda was indeed something epic) nor the dominant performance by Rossi, but a "race for the ages"? To quote Hawthorne, "I trow not."

Not just at the front, either - farther back in the order there were many interesting battles.  If you judge only the first two - it was "good" - but throughout the order, there was a lot happening.   Vinales rode a very interesting race, Marquez rode exceptionally well - again.  I was very surprised by Lorenzo, although as the season has developed perhaps we shouldn't be surprised by this sort of thing.

Right now the two quickest riders appear to be Rossi and Marquez, with Lorenzo a close third - the Michelin change and the more primitive software in particular seems to have helped Rossi, been neutral for Marquez and hurt Lorenzo.  Barring one breakdown and an influential mechanical issue, Rossi could be leading the championship (likely would have won Mugello and on limited information, looked very, very competitive in Austin) on outright speed!

What the heck happened to Lorenzo before Iannone's panic attack got him (because that's what that looked like to me - Iannone appeared to freeze and just grabbed the break like a crappy street rider, like me)?  He was going backwards awfully quickly, and his tires looked pretty worn already.  His setup must not have agreed with the conditions.

not sure what gigi said to iannone once the latter had returned to the pit, but it didn't seem to be 'glad you're ok, we'll get 'em next time'...

shame it is turning out this way, as i liked andrea's corner speed from the first time i saw him on that old speed-up. but...

if gigi had a engine builder that kept producing wildly fast hand gernades, what choice would he have but to replace him.

It looked like when he got on the brakes the bike stepped out to the right angling more towards the apex than he may of wanted and its not like you can magically pull it back quickly and stand it up to run wide. If you look at the angle of approach from behind on the replay Lorenzos line was still very wide before leaning into the corner and it didnt really seem like Iannone had anywhere to go. this is what he had to say after 

As for the incident, I can only say that I could do nothing to avoid it: I braked at the same point as all the previous laps but he was very slow at that moment and unfortunately I made contact with him and we both crashed. It might seem that I came in too fast and that I wanted to pass him but that’s not the way it went and we got the confirmation of this by analyzing the telemetry 

Colin Edwards and Neil Hodgson summed it up nicely. Let the brake off and dive down the inside then run wide. 

I don't think Iannone is AS bad as made out but it is what it is. 

If my boss stood over me and said something demeaning and/or horrible in front of everyone I'd stand up and tell them to go F themselves (and have done once or twice in the past lol). There's no need to treat people disrespectfully in that way especially in a tough sport. 

Iannone would have/should have known the second he set up for that corner that it was all wrong  and taken action to avoid contact with Lorenzo. Its always the persuing riders responsibility to do so. End of story. 

Iannone is so talented and so amazing to watch on the bike. I'd really love to see him start winning races. Honestly, I'd kill to see some other race winners besides the regular four. But he needs learn a bit more race craft. Remember when Simoncelli finally learned to turn it from 100% down to 95% and started finishing races. He was so close to entering that next level. I believe Iannone could do the same.

 

The top three said similar things in the press conference. The only safe option was the outside line, but all conceded that this may not have been/seemed feasible under the circumstances. Dani also specifically voiced his opinion that there was no apparent intent to attack on Iannone's part. It's just unfortunate that Iannone has exhausted all benefit of the doubt he might otherwise be given, after featuring so regularly in similar incidents recently. 

The memory is vague, but is seems like Lorenzo's wide, flowing corner entries have caught him out like this before. I know he's all about carrying corner speed--and the rider in front is surely free to choose his line--but maybe he should consider a line that hews closer to the inside when racing in close quarters. It might have kept him in the race in this instance. 

I would agree with you on possibly changing his corner entry style especially when his normally flow isnt working, but now that they made the end of that straight a lot tigher, almsot hairpin like to the left. that wide entry really is the best way to enter there, sucks for both of them but as always, great for the championship :)

According to Ianonni, the telemetry showed he braked at the same point as the lap previous. Jorge's worn tires and his wide lines seemed to play a big part in this. Not that you can fault Jorge for riding as he was. 

The responsibility for not hitting the guy in front remains with Ianonni despite his apparent 'same braking point'. Poor guy can't buy a break (pun?) this year, after proving everyone wrong last year with his safe, fast and consistent riding 

I agree with SpiesFL that putting all or most of the blame on Iannone might be missing the mark. While a closely-following rider certainly bears most of the responsibility for staying clear of the leading rider, the leader must also avoid doing something that isn't at least reasonably predicatable. A good example is the Rosberg/Hamilton F1 incident a couple of races ago. 

In the Lorenzo and Iannone shunt, there's also the "VIP" syndrome to consider. That's where a slightly less than mature rider who's currently at the top of the heap rides and reacts to a "lesser" rider with just a touch - or more - of disdain, thinking to himself that "HE wouldn't dare pull that move on ME!" 

As it is at all levels of racing, controlling the ego can be a lot more difficult than controlling the throttle. 

 

Iannone is now suffering from Simoncelli Syndrome.

if Dovi or Pedrosa go in hot and knock someone off its a racing incident, if it's iannone the gallows are being built before the race is over.

Compounded by who he hit of course.  Lorenzo is the best complainer in the paddock, just ask Bautista.......

Iannone braked as normal, Lorenzo was way slower than expected, yes Iannone should have went round the outside on the wider line but at that sort of closing speed working out that the world champion is driving Miss Daisy can't be easy.

The guy made a mistake, but it wasn't the sheer reckless boneheaded rear end assault it's been made out to be.

 

 

See Dennis Noyes very sensible post yesterday. Iannoni has got form, that's what decides what the penalty is; hence no action taken against Pedrosa striking Dovi at COTA.

He wasn't banned for a race like Lorenzo wanted, start from back of grid looks right to me.

Iannone was behind Lorenzo and was catching him at a rate of knots. Foolishly, he decided that this was the corner to pass but then quickly realised that it wasn't and lost control under braking. Photographic evidence shows that his front wheel is pointing in the opposite direction of the corner and his rear wheel is off the ground. Panic braking.

This loss of control under braking resulted in the removal of any option to run wide, and he became a passenger as he slammed into the blameless Lorenzo who had also braked hard enough to raise his rear wheel from the floor, but who had safely navigated the turn - until Iannone struck.

Interesting to note that Iannone offered no immediate apology, but simply enquired if Lorenzo had suffered from some kind of problem instead.

I guess it depends on weather or not you are willing to blatantly call Andrea a liar. He said he had no intention of passing and braked at the same spot he had done so all race (confirmed by telemtry data). Its unfortunate his bikes stepped out as much as it did but I think your are throwing an accusation a bit too far. 

Iannone tried the same thing after similarly slamming into the back of Aleix Espargaro at Phillip Island in 2014, if I recall correctly. 

His excuse got thrown out then and he was penalised. It's been thrown out now and once again he's been penalised.

When is it going to stop?

Maybe the penalities imposed weren't harsh enough? Maybe he's just a danger to himself and others? 

Iannone's actions have no credible defence. He's become nothing more than a recognised menace.

but but but.....

 

Lorenzo was awfully slow when Ianone slammed in his rear!

I'm sure Ianone ain't that dumb.

Now purely from the perception of a viewer(ie whatever was shown on the TV), it's hard(OK not that hard) to completely blame iannoni for the crash. Iannoni came out from the back of Lorenzo and lined up for an inside pass with a tight line. And from the angle it was shown, Lorenzo was a bit wider coming to the corner. So there was some space given for a possible overtake. But it felt as if Lorenzo closed in on the corner with a bit more turn and ianoni had nowhere else to go. And he wanted to cancel his overtake and hence slammed on his front brake to avoid colliding with Lorenzo(he definitely wasn't outbraking Lorenzo into the corner). If that is the case, it might support the fact that Lorenzo was slower through the corner, because slower you are more turn you are able to get. So it kinda felt like Lorenzo closed in on the corner(which offcourse he have the right to take) but left iannoni with no room to escape. At least it's nothing like what he did to dovi at Argentina, which was going for a pass that really didn't exist.

Should iannoni be punished? Yes... Races are not always won on a single lap or a single corner. It takes more than your instinct to attack at the first chance you get. Iannoni was so close to Lorenzo, it was clear that had he stayed behind Lorenzo a bit more till the last corner, he could've easily overtaken Lorenzo on the straight. But this aggression is costing many people too much. Punishment should make him think of race in a bit more broader term.

I read somewhere that Ianone asked Lorenzo if he had some sort of engine failure rather than apologizing. Hence Lorenzo's disgust. Seeing the crash from so many different angles, I would hesitate to place blame solely at Ianone's feet.

 

A rider at the front who is slowing, knows he is slowing and fails to get off the racing line when he is finally too slow for the safety of those pushing from behind surely bears some responsibility. The closure rate from Ianone was well in excess of the speed with which Lorenzo was entering that corner. 

 

I believe Crazy Joe when he states he did nothing different, and that Lorenzo was simply going too slow. I imagine, this is why he approached Lorenzo asking if he had some sort of malfunction. No other explanation in his mind could explain why the World Champion was going so slow in the corner on the racing line.

 

In qualifying, riders are penalized for riding slowly on the racing line while looking for a tow. The intention may be different, and this was a race, but the danger posed to the riders coming upon a slower rider is not. I submit both riders are at fault.

 

The rider coming from behind is responsible for making a safe pass, sure. If the rider he is responsible for making said safe pass on is going slower than what could be considered safe; then that rider bears the responsibility for getting off the racing line and not interfering with the progress of those riding a half second a lap faster. It's why blue flags are waved to back markers so they get out of the way of the leaders. Different scenario, but same result.

 

I understand there is competition in the race, but the speed differential is just as dangerous. Lorenzo, as a professional and multi-time World Champion would have definitely known he was going far slower than those gaining time on him. Even without a pit board he would know he was slow.

 

"Parking" a bike in a corner is a sure way to cause an accident in a race. Seems to me it was done to Alvaro Bautista in the title deciding last race of the last season in 250s and he ended up crashing because of it. Aoyama went on to win the title but was not penalized for causing Bautista to crash. Why then should Crazy Joe get penalized when essentially, the same thing was done to him? The situation is basically identical...save that Ianone had no designs on winning the title like Bautista did.

 

Lorenzo can make all the claims he wants. As slow as he was going he had to know he was going to end up becoming a danger to those approaching. I get that he was racing, but he was also going slower with each lap. At what point does the rider in front accept that he has to get off the racing line or become a danger to the other riders on track?

 

It would seem to me that in Lorenzo's mind, he needed to salvage all the points he possibly could, and two riders coming by complicated things. He would have known from his pit board alone that the riders behind were gaining on him with considerable speed. I think Ianone should have been given the pass......but his previous, and nearly identical rear ending of his teammate clouded official judgement.

Sorry, but I can't even begin to take you seriously if you can't even spell 'Iannone' correctly.

Who exactly are you defending? Maybe a refund is in order?

I rest my case, M'lud.

I read the above and thought it very valid before checking who the contributor was. It's good to have real experts views in here.

Lorenzo is taking a legitimate line to set up for the exit. Iannone looks to dive in for a pass where one does not exist. I am an Iannone proponent often, and this isn't one of those moments. Good for the championship though!

Bautista put his Aprilia in good company today. What happened to Smith's bike?

Great race. When we consider the context of the Rossi - Marquez antipathy and close championship it becomes more compelling. Very exciting! Rossi has a good shot this year. I was at a local "2 Stroke Coffee" shop w neighbors and nearly lost the shirt of my back betting Marquez and the Honda would prevail. The Rossi - Marquez drama was evident amongst fans there. Too bad, it clouds the racing and brings unnecessary animosity.

Two too many of those Iannone!

I think this one was epic or whaterver movie trailer word we want to use because Rossi beat Marquez in a straight fight, clean and convincing, and the two, though they did not kiss, did make up. Maybe historic is the word, because, whatever happens over the rest of the season, we´ll look back to this one as the day, still saddened by the death of "el Mexicano," two of the best we´ll ever see shook hands and smiled and reminded us of how much fun racing was for us and for them before Australia-Malaysia-Valencia. 

Yes, it was one for the ages....not because of the race itself so much as what it meant...like Rossi´s first win on the Yamaha in South Africa over Max on the Honda....like Roberts winning Imola and losing the title but still posing in the picture of Freddie crowned the new king...like Edwards winning that final SBK race over Bayliss.  

I think this one will be remembered for what happened before and after the race more than the race itself.  

 

Precedents are the guide to severity in the issuing of sanctions. If Dani Pedrosa had knocked off Nicky Hayden in Portugal just a week before knocking of Dovizioso in Austin, today´s Race Direction would have come down with some kind of hard penalty, but a lot of races have been run between Dani´s big mistake in Estoril and his recent error in COTA. 

When Jorge Lorenzo was given a one-race ban in Motegi for knocking down Alex de Angeles, it came after several incidents that had given Jorge a reputation.

When Marco Simoncelli was given a ride-through (that some thought was too mild while others thought was extreme) for trimming Dani around the outside like a hedge in Le Mans back in 2011, it was not so much because of that one incident, but because of a series of them and a lot of complaints from other riders (Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner).

Iannone has a bad reputation with his fellow riders. I have talked to several riders who, off the record, tell me that Iannone is a madman, a danger to himself and others, and among these guys are several ex-world champions. His´s ambition has often exceeded hisconsiderable talent.

The incident, in and of itself, is a racing accident. A mistake made in the heat of a Grand Prix, but if Race Direction does nothing when a guy takes so many scalps then Race Direction has no function and anything goes, as it did back when riders settled their own scores (and there were not so many cameras about to see them do it).

 

 

 

 

Agree, its no wonder Lorenzo doesn't go to the safety commission meetings, with BS rulings like this. Simply outrageous that Iannone doesn't get a one race penalty. Lorenzo having tire issues and having a slow entry is no excuse. Any racer knows it is your responsibility to pass safely. First thing they teach you in race school. I said it before, Iannone needs to get rid of the nickname, no seriously. Show a bit of pennance, something. To continue to shrug ones shoulders shows a complete lack of understanding. There are intellectual racers, and there are gut racers. A small number are both. Iannone is a gut racer, and unfortunately for him, gut racers, in this day and age, can no longer win a title. Finish high up occasionally, of course. Perform well across an entire season, this would take a titantic suspension of the laws of probability.

I don't believe that there was any attempt made to pass by Iannone. He certainly didn't mean to take Lorenzo out of the race along with himself. I've watched the incident many times now. What I see is Lorenzo was going at a much slower pace than you'd normally expect. Iannone seems to have misjudged this. It was a racing incident but as you point out  The punishment is due to multiple incidents over a short time frame. I'm a Iannone fan from back in 125, but I feel this may be a little lenient given that he has already gotten a 5 place grid penalty. I guess that is due to the penalty points system now. I'm not sure as I haven't looked at it but I would guess that's why he didn't get a 1 race ban. 

If Argentina didn't happen then it would be just a racing incident. Both IMO were just slightly misjudged by Iannone. But here on the couch it much easier to say "should've this or that". 

During the race I turned to my wife and said,  "Lorenzo will get torpedoed by Ianone for sure". Two turns and one straight later, BAM!

Thats what I call living up to your reputation.

In hindsight I'm not even sure it was 100% his fault, but when the shoe fits so well, might as well wear it, right?

Whether it was poor judgement, a mistake, a freak occurrence, malice, or divine intervention, there was a reason I called it out before it happened. It was bound to happen. 

Should race direction just hand AI a penalty for Bad Mojo? If that were the case wouldn't Dovi need one too? :)

 

What you're trying to say is that Iannone is a 'repeat' or 'serial' offender, and has been - ever since his GP125 days where he gained fame (and notoriety) by deciding to headbutt Pol Espargaro after yet another collision that only he, himself caused.

He's a fast, undesirable nuisance. Rats are similar creatures. Brivio's got his hands full next year.

Is there a certain rule (written or not) that says how many dodgy incidents can happen before penalties are handed out or is this up to the appreciation of Race Direction?

I'm just asking because it doesn't always seem to happen in a fair way. Iannone and Simoncelli for example are 2 guys that have been judged hard by both MotoGP fans and direction, while there are other people (e.g. Bautista, Marquez) who seem to have gotten away with a hell of a lot before they even get a warning or penalty. At least, that's just what it looks like from my couch. 

I'm not saying that Ianone doesn't deserve this penalty and not saying he does. Just that the system is missing consistency and the line between racing incident and penalty is often very blurry taking in account every bit of information from video footage, telemetry and history.

... another contributing factor is that he had been catching Jorge for several laps at a fairly rapid rate.

There was no simply need to attempt to get around him so fast, and the pit boards should have told him he was closing fast.

AI may say that he was not attempting to pass, but if that was the cast then perhaps he should have taken the outside line rather than attempting to stuff it up the inside.  if he was running in hot and NOT attempting to pass, he would not have turned in early, UNDER jorge.

 

Yes, heat of the moment, etc. but he's not a kid any more and happens to have far too many of these heat of the moment collisions.  it's as if he gets a sniff of a podium or a sniff of a pass on someone fast and his brains fall out; he completely loses the plot.

 

Unfortunate.

The nickname is appropriate. I also notice that his apologies are either not offered (to Dovi in Argentina) or are ineffective (to Jorge in Barcelona). Compare that to Dani at COTA when he torpedoed Dovi. It seems his fellow riders don't believe Ianonni is remorseful.

It seems to me. For Rossi, thus may have been a race for ages for him. It shows that he has come back from what everyone would write off as an old has been world champion. This race showed to everyone, but most of all himself, that he us a true contender for the world championship 20 years from the beginning of his GP career. Coming from behind to catch the front runners. Each pass eating away at the tires leaving that much less life in the tires, but still managing to keep enough tire life to battle Marquez at a track in his home country with all the bitterness between them.

Glad to sew he shook Marquez hand at the end of the race in Parc ferme. With the passing of Luis Salom racing should not be about adding to the funk regular life can add on its own.

Ian none unfortunately is like the boy who cried wolf too much. But instead of crying wolf crashed into ppl too much. I feel he may not be to blame as much as usual. He seemed sincerely troubled by the crash after it was over. Lorenzo was understandably disgusted, but this time Ian none may have to take a punishment.

Overall it was a damp good race to me. Several passes and battles to watch. Lots of tension. In fact, if this was a boring race to anyone, take up watching another sport. This race had the action in it that race fans wait to see.

did anyone else think for a second that maybe Iannone forgot where he was and was braking for la Caixa and not the new turn 10 haha or was that just me?

In my head I've been defending Iannone this whole time, but I'm done. Poor guy. I'm sure he wasn't trying to go for a pass and maybe he had no options, but like it is he's kinda run out of good will and understanding.

All humor aside, the tragedy makes you look at the race weekend differently, and we're just spectactors. How these guys can carry on and go back to work is pretty amazing.

LS#39

Dani doesn't hit people and if you watch the replay from COTA it sure looks like Dani laid the bike down to try and avoid Dovi but the fact that Dovi ran wide unwittingly put him right in the path of the Honda.  Dani's actions during and after the crash showed his remorse and concern for Dovi.

Iannone is claiming that he was on his regular line and that Jorge was slower than him and his gesturing after the fact shows how he feels Jorge should take some blame.  Whether or not Jorge slowed his line or whatever that doesn't give Iannone the right to ram him.  I watched the replay and to me it sure looks like Jorge was on the line he wanted and Iannone simply punted him.  The fact that this is far from his first incident he's going to get full blame and probably rightly so.  Hard racing is fine but using people as bumpers and berms isn't.

What if the data from Ianonnes bike tell what he say? That he braked at the same place and carried the same speed as previous laps. Then his fault was "only" that he chose the inside line instead of the outside line, a choice almost every rider would take in the splitsecond they have to decide between make a mess of the turn ( outside ) or gain a position ( inside ).  I think this is why he "only" got a "start from behind" in Assen. A penalty that really doesnt matter giving his speed and where he is going next year.

 

I was opening this site at 07:34 expecting to see a blog from David with the name: The Handshake .........

 

There is soooooo many things you can read into The Handshake and none of them is good for Lorenzo......

The irony that Iannone took out Lorenzo, and the fact that Gigi had decided that Iannone was not to partner Lorenzo, should not be lost.  By his pre-emptive decision, he won't have to try to say to Lorenzo "yes, well apart from that, all is good, no?" when Lorenzo dons the red leathers.

As much as I very much enjoy watching Iannone - and at P.I. last year, he was sublime - he is dangerous. As was Simoncelli. As it happens, Iannone has one more podium finishes than Simoncelli in motoGp, but a ratio of 4 finishes out of the last 11 races is hardly a recommendation and knocking off one team mate and one possible future team-mate just doesn't look good on the CV.

Kenny Rogers sang about the Gambler: "you have to know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em".  Riders have managed to achieve (in one case, at least) multiple WC's without knocking anybody off  in recent times: Hayden and Stoner (other than Hayden's total brake failure at P.I. in, from memory, P.I., 2010??) .  I don't recall any incident for Lorenzo either, but I am open to correction there.

It comes down to the matter that some riders see the potential for an accident and minimise it; others, with relatvely similar skills, do not.  MotoGp is NOT rollerball, and as Dennis Noyes has so accurately stated, the riders know a dangerous rider when they have to compete with him.

Marquez may be a reformed character these days but he was probably the most dangerous of all.............

I have never seen Rossi riding with his body hanging out from the bike so much. Rossi definitely adopted a more "Honda" like, less lean angle riding style in this extremely hot/slippery track condition, preserving the edge of his tyres and endured the whole race.

As usual has put things very much into perspective, thank you.

I was in agreeance with the folks above about the validity of the "race for the ages" claim.  Now I'm thinking David and yourself have nailed it.  We may just have witnessed the point at which the swords were taken from each others throats.  I'm going to thank poor Luis for that, his passing may just have given the Rossi/ Marquez pause to think and put things in perspective themselves.  How simple a gesture is a handshake, but when done with good intent, how profound.

But, there's always a but, I thought Vinales performance was disappointing rather than "strong".  If it was anybody other than Lorenzo he was battling to pass his performance would have have hardly rated a mention.  He was right on Dani's klacker as they approached Lorenzo yet drifted back to finish 18 sec' behind him and a huge 24 sec from the lead.  It's not like the GSX-RR was slow either, very much comparable to Lorenzo's M1 in a straight line.

It's rare that I completely agree with anything that Jorge Lorenzo says, but he's right in this particular instance.

Dovi said after Argentina that "everyone knows what Iannone's like", and Rossi described Iannone's pass on him in the same race as "dangerous". At Catalunya, it was Lorenzo's turn to gain further, first hand knowledge of Iannone - the hard way.

A race or two in the 'cooler' might bring 'The Maniac' back to his senses, but it may not be enough - like his most recent penalty. 

I'm not usre how many points had Ianonne had before this event but this season it's just to 'expected' that this happens with him. Shame....i think he should change the name on his leathers. He made mistake, that's all and now he pays price that all riders do in these circumstances...regardless of the circumstances....re Rossi last year.

The best moment for me is that handshake and the comments in the press conference afterwards. I'll be clear, i've always been a Rossi fan and yes i always fall on his side. Also i've been a fan of watching Marquez...love to see him ride. Now, two guys on the grid who we have to say, if we can create a relative view of the guys across the ages ( yes Rossi has been around this long ) are built from the same material....it's better...not the best...not the ultimate....but it must be better for the sport that these two guys are atleast starting to head back in the right direction with regards to respect. It's important for the sport, especially in the light of what happened to Luis.

Rossi...he's not the past...but Marquez is the future and to have these two guys getting along and hopefully BOTH attending the saftey commision together...can only help. To be honest, in the aftermath of Luis's accident, Marquez seemed to gain 20 years in his maturity and it is his and Bradley's and Pol's views that stand out for me. My hope is that all of this is a wake up for my hero...Valentino....i agree....he is needed...his experience is valuable and he should be there to lead and add his point of view because it probably carries more weight than anybody and maybe changes can be made that will prevent this weekends tragedy.

Yes, this sport is dangerous....but the sport can work to avoid...can try all it can. Sometimes, yes the new layout was 'less' than the new layout...but to be honest...is it so different than Indy ? Watch again.

RIP Louis....a good rider and a guy who bubbled with the love of riding.

It's a shame....but it is a fact...sometimes it takes these things to wake people up...Vale included.

 

 

 

 

 

As a racer myself, we all are told from the beginning that it is the overtaking rider's responsibility to make a safe pass. In this case, though Iannone's telemetry may have said he did everything as he did every preceding lap, his judgement was still poor.

Having caught Lorenzo it was a matter of time before he got by. And then, seeing how quickly that Yamaha got real big, he dove for the inside rather than miss him outside. There wasn't much time to do that, but it would've been the right thing to do and then regroup to try again. 

There was a 100% chance of hitting Lorenzo diving for the inside, but at least some chance of missing him if he had aimed to stay on the wider braking line (Lorenzo's line). Lorenzo might have turned far enough by that point for AI to miss him.

I am definitely no fan of Lorenzo and I do like Iannone, but patience would have paid off for AI at that point. AI was definitely in the wrong and what I didn't like was his first gesture seemed to point at Lorenzo. He's very fast, but he needs to tone it down real quick and accept his fault. 

I'm hoping he does because with him making better decisions and staying on the bike he will sometimes add another bike to the battle at the top.

So, while AI gets put at the back of the grid at the next round he will basically get more race setup time as the qualifying position will be irrelevant.

My wife and I were travelling so I missed the live coverage as well as the rebroadcast on beIN but, in avoiding spoilers until watching this (Monday) morning, I couldn't avoid seeing some mentions of Iannone doing something to affect the results (yet again).
So as I watched Lorenzo rapidly fading, the thought entered my head that AI was going to take JL out of the race and, well, sure enough.

I get that AI was braking at his normal spot, as well as that JL should/could have ackowledged his decreasing pace and left the racing line, as well as that JL was trying to protect as many points as he could salvage.

What I don't understand is how AI could have so monumentally misjudged the pace of a slower rider he was rapidly reeling in, nor why he would have been so impatient to pass him when JL's braking into and drive out of corners had obviously been affected by tire degradation. 

I don't enjoy the tendency of judging riders' motivations or emotions based on preferences and/or dislikes for one racer or another, and so I will not speculate on Iannone's thinking in that or any other moment. Although some bias can exist, generally Race Direction has a better handle on the situations on/off track as well as the telemetry of the bikes when any such incidence occurs than we observers do, so I defer to the thinking behind any penalty they may hand down, regardless of my own preferences or dislikes.

I read this much debate on how dangerous a rider is was another fast Italian named Simoncelli. Hopefully Ian none may slightly alter enough of his riding so that not so many fans and riders alike feel like he is such a danger.

Heres my last thought on Ianonnes incident based on personal experience. In the middle of a heated 600cc race at Roebling road - I battled a friend the entire race about 10 seconds ahead of the rest of the field. On the second to last lap I got a really good pass on the brakes into the 1st right hander after the long straight, theres are a long sweeping double right apex onto a short straight with a long left curve that dumps into a heaving braking zone for a somewhat tight right. After making a clean pass and staying in front until the next hard braking zone I grabbed just a bit too much brake going into the right hander and my bikes slowed waaaaay more than even I anticipated which sent the friend behind me wide, off the track, and into a big cloud of dirt on his bum. I made the corner at took 1st place. 

Now.....in my opinion.....to say you are never responsible for a crash just because you're in front is an idea that is relatively outdated. He had followed me into that corner for atleast 4 or 5 other laps without incident as my speed was quite predictable, and I followed him for a few as well. We both knew what speed to anticipate going into that corner, but on that particular lap, even though I was leading, I F'ed up, and his crash was very much my fault though I'd never tell him :)

I think this is what caught Ianonne out. Its unlucky.....but his contract is up at Ducati anyway. Starting from the back isnt going to effect his season much. 

It seemed like Iannone was just riding around like nobody was in front of him.  As quick as he reeled in Lorenzo it should have been obvious that Lorenzo was slow and having problems.  So, Iannone uses the excuse that he braked at the same speed and same place as prior laps.  To me that just proves he was riding like Lorenzo wasn't even there.  If he had been in a heated battle I could understand making an error like this but this was not that.  Plus every time he hits someone he tries to blame someone else.  When he hit Dovi he tried to blame Rossi.  He definitely deserves the penalty.  I hope it makes him think and actually apologize.

Marquez did his best to put on a show and we appreciate that but clearly Rossi was going to come out on top this time.

I think almost everyone has rushed to place full blame at Maniac Joe's feet. As I wrote before, rightly or wrongly, in Maniac Joes' mind, there was no reason for Lorenzo to be as slow as he was. He's reigning World Champion, not a back marker. I'm sure he couldn't believe...comprehend that he was closing as fast as he was.

 

He still bears most of the blame for the incident but surely not all of it. Again, in Maniac Joe's mind, in the heat of the race, I'm sure he feels he did nothing wrong. None of us were in his helmet to see what he saw, at the speed with which he saw it. I for one, cannot pass judgement when my view of the incident was a TV monitor. I'm more inclined to think he wasn't trying to pass right then and there, just as he says. It is quite unfortunate for him that he has the reputation that he does (though he earned it). The rush to judgement and punishment might be quite a bit different otherwise.

... doesn't matter why Jorge was slow, he was.  #29's board would have told him that in preceding laps, and he would have seen the gap visibly closing lap by lap.

as per other posts above, assuming you can brake at your regular braking point, and torpedo the world champion in front of you simply because he's supposed to be faster is no excuse.

It is ALWAYS the fault of the rider behind, unless (maybe) the rider in front completely bins it.  And even then, the brakes on the motorcycle behind will slow the bike faster than alloy and carbon fibre sliding across the pavement.

 

The rider behind is looking forwards.  The rider in front is not looking backwards.  How anyone can possibly think to blame this on Jorge is beyond me, and i'm certainly no fan the way Jorge has conducted himself in the past 2-3 seasons.