2014 MotoGP Sepang 1 Day 3 Final Times: Marquez Stays Ahead Of Three Yamahas

Times at the end of the third and final day of testing at Sepang:

Pos No   Rider Time Diff Diff previous
1 93 Marc Marquez Honda RC213V 1:59.533    
2 46 Valentino Rossi Yamaha M1 1:59.727 0.194 0.194
3 99 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha M1 1:59.866 0.333 0.139
4 41 Aleix Espargaro Yamaha FTR Open 1:59.998 0.465 0.132
5 6 Stefan Bradl Honda RC213V 2:00.112 0.579 0.114
6 26 Dani Pedrosa Honda RC213V 2:00.223 0.690 0.111
7 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati GP14 2:00.370 0.837 0.147
8 44 Pol Espargaro Yamaha M1 2:00.655 1.122 0.285
9 29 Andrea Iannone Ducati GP14 2:00.725 1.192 0.070
10 19 Alvaro Bautista Honda RC213V 2:00.788 1.255 0.063
11 38 Bradley Smith Yamaha M1 2:00.896 1.363 0.108
12 35 Cal Crutchlow Ducati GP14 2:01.057 1.524 0.161
13 69 Nicky Hayden Honda RCV1000R Open 2:01.514 1.981 0.457
14 5 Colin Edwards Yamaha FTR Open 2:01.731 2.198 0.217
15 51 Michele Pirro Ducati GP14 Test 2:01.782 2.249 0.051
16 7 Hiroshi Aoyama Honda RCV1000R Open 2:02.383 2.850 0.601
17 14 Randy De Puniet Suzuki Test 2:02.486 2.953 0.103
18 68 Yonny Hernandez Ducati GP13 Open 2:02.556 3.023 0.070
19 72 Kosuke Akiyoshi Honda RC213V Test 2:02.619 3.086 0.063
20 89 Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha M1 Test 2:02.788 3.255 0.169
21 45 Scott Redding Honda RCV1000R Open 2:02.833 3.300 0.045
22 70 Michael Laverty PBM Aprilia 2:03.187 3.654 0.354
23 8 Hector Barbera Avintia Kawasaki 2:03.204 3.671 0.017
24 23 Broc Parkes PBM Aprilia 2:03.402 3.869 0.198
25 63 Mike Di Meglio Avintia Kawasaki 2:04.516 4.983 1.114
26 9 Nobuatsu Aoki Suzuki Test 2:05.686 6.153 1.170
27 17 Karel Abraham Honda RCV1000R Open 2:05.974 6.441 0.288


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Rossi was second but Lorenzo has more consistent faster laps than him.

That's right Rossi was second. He's been the only one on MM's tail all through this test, every day.
Riding very well. So much for the doubters and whingers.

Both the doubters and whingers and you are wrong. Single lap times in testing doesn't really say anything. Rossi is certainly on the pace but Lorenzo put in a race simulation today that was quite a bit faster than Rossi's.

All in all, too early to call.

The Rossi vs Lorenzo banter is irrelevant if Marquez wins the race by 20 seconds. That's what the simulation would suggest. Both Lorenzo and Rossi were WAY off MM's pace.

I don't understand how a few tenths a lap equates to a 20 second gap. How many laps are they running in this mythical race?

I think you're only looking at the fastest times. If you look at the race simulation stints they did. Marquez was lapping in low 2m0s and an odd 1m59s, while Rossi was consistently doing low 2m1s laps. Lorenzo eventually abandoned his Race simulation but he was doing similar pace as Rossi.

Source : http://resources.motogp.com/files/testresults/MotoGP_Test__Sepang_analys...

20 laps x 1 second per lap = 20 seconds ;)

Edit : Mr. David Emmett also touches upon this in today's round-up article. He has gone ahead and actually done full calculations : 0.8 seconds per lap, the gap, on average.

This is true but Valentino did pull the fastest lap of his 19 year career today around Sepang. That doesn't mean he will another title or even another race but it is encouraging and good to see considering all the whinging here over the last few years. So much for all that age fluff.

Anyone who pulled a 1.59 around Sepang is hauling the minerals. Honda have the edge in electronics, fuel consumption, new Stone hard rear use, and engine durability.....and they have Marquez. It's going to be hard work for everyone else, including Pedrosa, to catch the kid. If they get that new hard rear working well it's gonna be a damn hard year for everyone outside of the Repsol garage.

I am optimistic for the season. Ducati is doing better, Rossi is doing better, Bradl has been mixing it up at the front and Aleix is proving himself yet again to become an alien. 2014 is starting well.
I want to see everyone go over to open rules too.

All the people writing Rossi off have to rethink and all those expecting a 10th title based on these days' results need to wait for the first race. But it is true that Rossi's performance in Sepang 1 has been nothing short of encouraging. Unfortunately the championship looks set to be a one-horse race, but you never know. Lady luck has been kind to Marquez so far, but that may change.

By the way Lorenzo didn't put more than 6 laps straight. He aborted his simulation and although the lap times in those few laps he made were better than Rossi's, they're practically meaningless because the settings he used led to chatter and rapid drop of tyre performance after a few laps.

Lorenzo abandoned his simulation after 5 laps due to chatter and the tyre not feeling good.

He said himself that his times were already beginning to slow after 5 laps.

No idea where you pluck your information from to say that Jorge had a much faster pace, when he didn't even perform a race simulation.

Yes, it's too early to make predictions, but from the tiniest glimpse that we have had so far, Rossi has had a decent test, Jorge has had some issues (which will no doubt be fixed before Qatar) and Marc... is just mental.

I didn't know he abandoned it, I only saw a row of very fast laps. Anyway, Lorenzo has proven to be a metronome so I don't think extrapolating those times over more laps is that much of a stretch. Not more than assuming A. Espargaro is going to be mixing it with the factory boys in the race anyway.

How can you not be estatic over his performance? The kid has been ridding the wheels off his bike and is finally given a bike with some 'performance' and looks what he's doing with it? Someone commented that Yamaha should sign him long term and give him an 'open' M1, which is a fantastic idea. Yamaha, you listening?

David: what are the whispers saying about his performance and the 'open' class bikes?

Now it's a poker game until Feb 28. I imagine Aleix' performance will have resulted in a few boardroom meetings.
Probably just a wet dream, but it would be pretty neat if this 'Open' class backfired on Honda - and Yamaha did as you suggest and stole the big prize from the anointed factory princes.
Now, that would persuade me to buy the MotoGP package for the next five years!

Nicky has HRC techs in his pit box assisting Aspar crew members with his set-ups and bike performance! No wonder Hayden's lap times were dropping so fast compared to the other RCVr riders. Is it me or is the RCV1000r smaller in actual size compared to the RC213V? Hayden looks like he's riding a RC212V again. Nicky looks as though he's too big for that new bike. Maybe Hayden is losing time on the straights because he's unable to get tucked-in behind the windscreen enough. Too much wind-resistance???

Nice to have some on-track action! Good to see that Marc stayed sharp over the winter, and it's nice to see Rossi going fast. I think, with Jorge and Dani's spots on factory teams secure for the season, they could afford to ease into the year; hence Jorge's oft-tentative tentative test.

Don't know how much fuel anyone was burning, or whether they were chasing qualifying or racing setups, so testing doesn't tell you too much. But I think it's clear that the factory Honda and Yamaha showed up pretty well-sorted, and we might see a decent contest between the two this season, depending on that whole "Honda" track vs. "Yamaha" track thing. Ducati will still be bringing up the rear, but they may get closer as they sort things out. I don't see the hard-to-handle, brutal, overpowered Ducati getting an advantage by running the Open class tire, but running Open might allow them to sort some other stuff out. If Duc goes Open, it won't be because they think the will get a performance advantage. It'll be using 2014 as a test session and ceding the season to the other guys with the hopes that 2015 will be better.

Honda's proddie bike was built to meet a particular spec and price point. Unfortunately, Dorna moved the goalposts a number of times, and the bike needs to be faster. But it's made a solid start, no mechanical failures and its riders say it handles well. The speed will come.

The Yamaha "Open" classer isn't even close to what Dorna had envisioned. If NGM is really paying one million euros a year to lease that bike, then Yamaha is simply subsidizing them. And Dorna had to change the rules last year at least twice after Honda actually had built their proddie bike to get the Yamaha "Open" classer on the grid. And people say Honda is gaming the rules ... Still, you could have gotten here simply by lifting the maximum number of "factory" bikes allowed on the grid. I never understood that rule.

Open vs. Factory? Hard to tell. You've really only got one front-running bike that has some basis of comparison, the Yamaha. And in the NGM team, you've got to ask, if the bike is that good in that trim, how come Colin is two seconds a lap behind his teammate? Other than the fact that Al is really, really good.

What the NGM experiment has shown is that if you let Magneti Marelli work on an electronic rider aid package for a year and give a factory like Yamaha several months to fine-tune it to one of its factory bikes, and then (ostensibly) give it more fuel, it can be just about as fast as one of the satellite bikes.

But I must be missing the point. If Dorna is just forcing teams to use a spec box and slightly less sophisticated MM software, but allowing factories to spend months working on that software, what's the advantage to the teams? How does this make the racing better? It might be somewhat cheaper to go racing this way, but really, has anyone heard Yamaha or Honda or Ducati complaining about the cost of electronics?

Or is it simply the bleating of Dorna?

Can't wait to see how things play out ...

p.s. Does anyone actually know for a fact how much money NGM is paying to lease last year's Yam factory bike?

Or about a third of what Herve Poncharal is paying to lease the satellite Yamahas.

The idea of cutting costs is not to cut costs for the factories. They are perfectly capable of doing that themselves, by simply slowing the pace of development. The idea is to cut costs for the private teams. When factories raise prices for satellite teams, then teams have to find that money, or drop out. To prevent teams from dropping out, Dorna increases the amount they pay to the private teams. So Dorna ends up subsidizing the factories. Carmelo Ezpeleta told me in an interview a couple of years ago that the factories get more money from Dorna than they do from their sponsors. 

The idea of the Open class bikes is to restrict the amount which the factories charge the private teams. What the bikes cost to manufacture is up to the manufacturers, they can either build a cheap bike and sell it at a profit, build a faster bike and sell it at break even, or sell an expensive bike and subsidize it themselves. That is a business decision for the factories.

As for not hearing the factories complaining about the cost of electronics, they never do in public. They do say that competing is expensive, but they never do anything of their own volition to cut costs. What they do is simply drop out. 

The Open class was the factory's response to Dorna's demand that bikes for the private teams be made cheaper. Dorna told the factories it would impose spec software unless the factories could offer a better alternative. The factories agreed to make cheaper bikes available, if they could keep their own software. Dorna and IRTA wrote a set of rules which dropped the claiming rule (which nobody wanted in the first place), and replaced it with a simple distiniction. The factories agreed to the rules, and made plans for their Open bikes.

So Yamaha, to meet the demand for a less expensive bike, is leasing (not purchasing, and how many words were written by so many about how important it was for private teams to be able to buy, not lease, a bike?) what is a thinly-disguised prototype to teams at a financial loss.

Perversely, to meet Dorna's demand for a cheaper bike for private teams, Yamaha actually is going to lose money.

Let's be really clear as to what is happening here: Yamaha is skirting the limits on the number of "factory" bikes on the grid by replacing their factory-written proprietary software in the spec box with factory-tweaked Dorna software in the spec box.

Honestly, though, I don't really have a problem with that, because I never thought the limits on the number of prototypes on the grid made any sense. And if Yamaha wants to help fill the grid and take it in the shorts on the corporate balance sheet, bless their hearts and shoot the accountants!

One last thought: If Yamaha were to look at the data and decide that Lorenzo and Rossi would be faster on an M1 run to Open specs and fuel regs, couldn't Honda do the same for Dani and Marc?

Honda doesn't have a fuel consumption problem. They can run flat out for a race distance on 20 liters fuel. If anything, few kgs extra weight and and unoptimized software will only slow them down.

For Yamaha, the thought here is that the performance penalty of unoptimized software will be less than the performance gains on being able to use 24 liters of fuel.

I notice from the MotoGP website that Karel is still struggling with his shoulder - it seems (and is) a long time since he got hurt. As we know from some recent retirees, shoulder joints can be tricky. Hope he gets the right treatment and advice and gets sorted soon if possible.