2012 Sepang 1 MotoGP Test Day 3 Times Compared: 2012 Test vs 2011 Test And 2011 QP

Comparing the times set on the final day at Sepang to the final times from both the same day during the 2011 test and the times set during qualifying for last year's canceled Malaysian GP once again provides interesting reading. As has been the case almost throughout the test, Cal Crutchlow showed the most improvement over last year, the Monster Tech 3 Yamaha rider now well-adapted to both MotoGP and the new 1000cc bikes. Surprisingly, Casey Stoner showed the second-best improvement, besting the time he set last year by over 1.2 seconds, but given the scorching pace the Repsol Honda man set early on Thursday morning, perhaps it isn't so surprising after all.

Hector Barbera proved that the 2012 Ducati - even the version that the satellite teams have, the bike they rode at Valencia - is a much better machine than the 2011 bike, while Stefan Bradl is clearly a better fit at LCR Honda than Toni Elias. Meanwhile, the actual GP12 is also a clear improvement, Valentino Rossi taking a second off his best time from last year, while the factory Yamahas of Ben Spies and Jorge Lorenzo were just half a second quicker.

When set against the times set during qualifying last year, the story is similar, though the vast improvement showed by Ben Spies had more to do with the banged up state that the Texan was in during qualifying last year than any improvement in his riding. Barbera once again showed he has adapted to the 2012 bike better than the old machine - even at Valencia last year he was full of praise for the bike - while Casey Stoner's scorching pace this morning shows through in this comparison too. Crutchlow and Rossi were also big winners in the comparison with qualifying.

Below are the various comparisons: A list of times comparing the improvement from the 2011 test to the 2012 test; a comparison between qualifying in 2011 and the 2012 test; and a ranking of the full list of times from all three events:


Test times from Day 3 of 2011 vs Day 3 of 2012:

Rider 2012 bike 2012 time 2011 Bike 2011 time Improvement
Cal Crutchlow Yamaha 2:01.108 Yamaha 2:02.717 -1.609
Casey Stoner Honda 1:59.607 Honda 2:00.811 -1.204
Hector Barbera Ducati 2:00.929 Ducati 2:02.030 -1.101
Stefan Bradl Honda 2:01.894 Toni Elias 2:02.916 -1.022
Valentino Rossi Ducati 2:00.824 Ducati 2:01.842 -1.018
Dani Pedrosa Honda 2:00.256 Honda 2:01.241 -0.985
Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 2:00.198 Yamaha 2:00.845 -0.647
Ben Spies Yamaha 2:00.495 Yamaha 2:01.002 -0.507
Karel Abraham Ducati 2:02.218 Ducati 2:02.645 -0.427
Nicky Hayden Ducati 2:01.729 Ducati 2:01.534 +0.195
Andrea Dovizioso Yamaha 2:01.257 Honda 2:00.945 +0.312
Colin Edwards Suter BMW CRT 2:04.722 Yamaha 2:01.651 +3.071
Alvaro Bautista Honda 2:01.384 Missed last day due to illness    

 


2012 test times compared to 2011 Qualifying times:

2011 QP vs 2012 Test          
Rider 2012 bike 2012 time 2011 Bike 2011 time Improvement
Ben Spies Yamaha 2:00.495 Yamaha 800 2:03.678 -3.183
Hector Barbera Ducati 2:00.929 Ducati 800 2:03.619 -2.690
Casey Stoner Honda 1:59.607 Honda 800 2:01.491 -1.884
Stefan Bradl Honda 2:01.894 Toni Elias 2:03.646 -1.752
Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha Test 2:02.334 Yamaha 800 2:04.072 -1.738
Cal Crutchlow Yamaha 2:01.108 Yamaha 800 2:02.756 -1.648
Valentino Rossi Ducati 2:00.824 Ducati 800 2:02.395 -1.571
Karel Abraham Ducati 2:02.218 Ducati 800 2:03.438 -1.220
Dani Pedrosa Honda 2:00.256 Honda 800 2:01.462 -1.206
Alvaro Bautista Honda 2:01.384 Suzuki 800 2:02.332 -0.948
Nicky Hayden Ducati 2:01.729 Ducati 800 2:02.172 -0.443
Andrea Dovizioso Yamaha 2:01.257 Honda 800 2:01.666 -0.409
Colin Edwards Suter BMW CRT 2:04.722 Yamaha 800 2:02.010 +2.712

 


Overall ranking of times from the three events: 2012 test, 2011 test and Qualifying for the 2011 race:

Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous When
Casey Stoner Honda 1000 1:59.607     2012 Test
Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1000 2:00.198 0.591 0.591 2012 Test
Dani Pedrosa Honda 1000 2:00.256 0.649 0.058 2012 Test
Ben Spies Yamaha 1000 2:00.495 0.888 0.239 2012 Test
Marco Simoncelli Honda 800 2:00.757 1.150 0.262 2011 Test
Casey Stoner Honda 800 2:00.811 1.204 0.054 2011 Test
Valentino Rossi Ducati 1000 2:00.824 1.217 0.013 2012 Test
Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 800 2:00.845 1.238 0.021 2011 Test
Hector Barbera Ducati 1000 2:00.929 1.322 0.084 2012 Test
Andrea Dovizioso Honda 800 2:00.945 1.338 0.016 2011 Test
Ben Spies Yamaha 800 2:01.002 1.395 0.057 2011 Test
Cal Crutchlow Yamaha 1000 2:01.108 1.501 0.106 2012 Test
Dani Pedrosa Honda 800 2:01.241 1.634 0.133 2011 Test
Andrea Dovizioso Yamaha 1000 2:01.257 1.650 0.016 2012 Test
Hiroshi Aoyama Honda 800 2:01.353 1.746 0.096 2011 Test
Alvaro Bautista Honda 1000 2:01.384 1.777 0.031 2012 Test
Dani Pedrosa Honda 800 2:01.462 1.855 0.078 2011 QP
Casey Stoner Honda 800 2:01.491 1.884 0.029 2011 QP
Nicky Hayden Ducati 800 2:01.534 1.927 0.043 2011 Test
Colin Edwards Yamaha 800 2:01.651 2.044 0.117 2011 Test
Andrea Dovizioso Honda 800 2:01.666 2.059 0.015 2011 QP
Nicky Hayden Ducati 1000 2:01.729 2.122 0.063 2012 Test
Valentino Rossi Ducati 800 2:01.842 2.235 0.113 2011 Test
Stefan Bradl Honda 1000 2:01.894 2.287 0.052 2012 Test
Colin Edwards Yamaha 800 2:02.010 2.403 0.116 2011 QP
Hector Barbera Ducati 800 2:02.030 2.423 0.020 2011 Test
Loris Capirossi Ducati 800 2:02.057 2.450 0.027 2011 Test
Marco Simoncelli Honda 800 2:02.105 2.498 0.048 2011 QP
Randy de Puniet Ducati 800 2:02.159 2.552 0.054 2011 Test
Nicky Hayden Ducati 800 2:02.172 2.565 0.013 2011 QP
Karel Abraham Ducati 1000 2:02.218 2.611 0.046 2012 Test
Hiroshi Aoyama Honda 800 2:02.254 2.647 0.036 2011 QP
Alvaro Bautista Suzuki 800 2:02.332 2.725 0.078 2011 QP
Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha 1000 2:02.334 2.727 0.002 2012 Test
Valentino Rossi Ducati 800 2:02.395 2.788 0.061 2011 QP
Karel Abraham Ducati 800 2:02.645 3.038 0.250 2011 Test
Cal Crutchlow Yamaha 800 2:02.717 3.110 0.072 2011 Test
Cal Crutchlow Yamaha 800 2:02.756 3.149 0.039 2011 QP
Toni Elias Honda 800 2:02.916 3.309 0.160 2011 Test
Randy de Puniet Ducati 800 2:02.939 3.332 0.023 2011 QP
T1 Yamaha 800 2:02.965 3.358 0.026 2011 Test
Franco Battaini Ducati 1000 2:03.033 3.426 0.068 2012 Test
Loris Capirossi Ducati 800 2:03.077 3.470 0.044 2011 QP
Karel Abraham Ducati 800 2:03.438 3.831 0.361 2011 QP
Kousuki Akiyoshi Honda 800 2:03.452 3.845 0.014 2011 Test
Hector Barbera Ducati 800 2:03.619 4.012 0.167 2011 QP
T2 Yamaha 800 2:03.621 4.014 0.002 2011 Test
Toni Elias Honda 800 2:03.646 4.039 0.025 2011 QP
Ben Spies Yamaha 800 2:03.678 4.071 0.032 2011 QP
Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha 800 2:04.072 4.465 0.394 2011 QP
Colin Edwards Suter BMW CRT 2:04.722 5.115 0.650 2012 Test
Ivan Silva FTR Kawasaki CRT 2:08.225 8.618 3.503 2012 Test
Robertino Pietri FTR Kawasaki CRT 2:09.640 10.033 1.415 2012 Test
Jordi Torres FTR Kawasaki CRT 2:10.184 10.577 0.544 2012 Test

 

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Completely unfounded by any science inc maths.
going by Nakasuga Yamaha improved 1.7
Rossi improved 1.5 Which to me says Yamaha gained .2

I still dont get the Ducati has improved as much as the hype suggests.
Though its fair to say Im a Nakasuga supporter.

Total votes: 64

Of course its going to be easier for someone farther off the pace to make a larger improvement than someone at the pointy end. By your logic Colin Edwards will be ahead of the Ducati by the beginning of the season.

Total votes: 70

I was thinking about Yamaha's test rider compared to Ducati's Best rider. If Id wanted to compare differences I would have picked Ben. I thought the best Gauge of the Yamaha would be through Nakasuga's times.

Total votes: 65

yeah, rossi says it feels better, but he's still about the same amount behind as last year's test, ~1-1.2 sec. ok, they have a newer bike. but since the other team's riders are talking about adjusting to the difference in riding style and about mechanical improvements they are also going to make, ducati could just be playing catchup again. i'm underwhelmed about them being that far back again.....

Total votes: 74

How many seconds will it take them to fix this one?

Total votes: 61

Bad back, the least amount of time on track of any of the real contenders, and he scorches around breaking the 2 minute barrier - just stunning.

Ominous for others, a delight for the purist, that kid is the fastest I've ever seen. And I've seen the lot, Ago, Doohan, Rossi, you name them.. some I thought simply couldn't be bettered e.g. Freddie Spencer (what a rider!!!).

Perhaps its just the way of the world, sprinters get faster, swimmers get faster, everything evolves, I'm just so glad I've seen this kid ride...

I truly want Rossi on a quick bike, great to see Spies running hard, the 1000 will be the making of him, he's not giving so much away to the 'little aliens'.

I'd love to see the top guys 'banging bars' and sliding under one another all season, but I think I'll be at the Island watching the kid get his 3rd world championship barring accident, incident, illness or retirement.

Total votes: 76

Since the 'aliens' were the group of 4 dominating the 800cc dry race wins over 5 years now that we have 1000cc bikes should we reset the designation and see if there is even such a distinction between the top and not-so-top riders? At the least, we can hope for more variety in the 2nd and 3rd place positions.

What has not been examined much is several of the riders' comments that the lines do not have to be so precise and that recovering from running wide or something else is much easier due to more low end engine torque. To me that is an indication (hope?) that the racing won't be so processional. If the riders know that running wide won't make them lose touch with whoever they are racing with they may try more passing maneuvers. Especially with the longer braking zone required by the 1000s.

Chris
moto2-usa.blogspot.com

Total votes: 76

All this fuss about Ducati is not justified right now.
Rossi ended Sepang I 2011 1"0 second from the best on the original GP11 and he ends Sepang I 2012 1"2 seconds away on the brand new GP12.

But most importantly (discarding Spies monstrous improvement over 3 seconds because he kept banging himself and had a miserable qualifying practice last year), the comparison of 2011 QP with this test shows that Honda gained roughly 1"5 (Casey 1"8, Dani 1"2) which is about the same than Yamaha (1"6 for Cal and Jorge wasn't there last year) and Ducati (Rossi 1"5, we'll have to wait for a healthy Nicky Hayden to get a better picture).

So far no one gained much more than their competitors, with the exception of Barbera for whom switching from the GP11 satellite version to the GP0 is a huge improvement (2"6), however not confirmed by Abraham (1"2).

For its very first outing, the GP12 has gained as much from the GP11.1 than the RC213V from the RC212V. In itself it's a good sign for a first test, but nothing outstanding, so far the same gap remains.

Sepang II with healthy Hayden and Dovi and Bautista and Dovi more accustomed to their new ride, plus a GP12 further developed could be another story.

Total votes: 61

Comparing improvement in times from last year to this year at the track is just fine except that pretty much all the factory runners are testing slightly revised versions of winning machines from last year vs Ducati just getting on-track on a bike they have ZERO time with. To compare their out-of-the-box times this year vs last year's machine, where they had already tried just about everything and then some shows a large improvement in my opinion. Of course that does NOT insure that the rest of their gap will be easy to make up, but getting much closer with a machine they're just scratching the surface of development with is encouraging to me for 2012. Yes, I'm an unabashed fan of The Doctor, but more than that I'd like to see close racing with things not decided until the last few turns of the last lap and especially tiny Ducati competitive with the massive Japanese companies once again.

Total votes: 62