2011 Jerez Combined MotoGP And Moto2 Test Day 2 Unofficial Times: The Aprilia Fastest, CRT Bikes Find Big Gains

Testing continued at Jerez again on Thursday, with mixture of MotoGP, Moto2 and WSBK machines all sharing the track, together with something of a hybrid, Aprilia running its RSV4 World Superbike machine at the circuit fitted with Bridgestone tires and carbon brakes. With Randy de Puniet now aboard - and inching ever closer to agreeing a contract to race the Aprilia for Aspar in MotoGP - the Aprilia was the fastest bike on track, posting a time of 1'41.5, which is within striking distance of the factory prototypes from Honda, Yamaha and Ducati. The bike is being run out of the Aspar garage, where the Aprilia test team is working closely with Aspar personnel to help gather data from the bike using MotoGP brakes and tires.

De Puniet on the Aprilia was not the only impressive CRT machine. Colin Edwards made a huge leap forward on the Suter BMW, improving his time by well over a second and going faster than the Moto2 machines at last. MotoGP reporter Azi Farni posted on Twitter that Edwards was pleasantly surprised by the bike, saying it was better than he thought. Edwards praised the potential, saying the bike was only "at 65%," adding "the other 35% is mostly electronics." Edwards has now finished testing, and is heading home again, to continue recovery after the surgery to fix his shoulder. Edwards' father posted on Facebook that the Texan was riding at about "60/70%" because of the injuries. There is clearly still a lot of work left to do, but progress is clearly being made.

Progress was also being made on the FTR Kawasaki to be raced by the BQR team. Both Ivan Silva and Yonny Hernandez improved their times by over a second from Wednesday, Silva posting a 1'43.5 and Hernandez a 1'44.0. That is still some way off the times set during qualifying for the MotoGP race earlier this season, but improvements are being made. According to MotoWorld, the BQR team have dropped their plans to race the Inmotec, as the 1000cc version of the engine would not be ready until the middle of the coming season, and so BQR will field two FTR Kawasakis.

Scott Redding was once again fastest of the Moto2 machines, leading a gaggle of Kalexes, though without much improvement of times from yesterday. Redding was faster than the Pons bikes of Pol Espargaro and Tito Rabat, while his Marc VDS Racing teammate Mika Kallio was 4th fastest of the Moto2 riders. Bradley Smith cut the gap to Redding from over a second to just seven tenths as work continued on the Tech 3 machine, while a bike problem limited Gino Rea's track time to just 20 laps all day.

The BMW World Superbike squad and Ducati MotoGP test team were also out on track, but no times were available for either of them. Carlos Checa has now finished testing the Desmosedici GP Zero, and flies to Moscow to take part in a press conference presenting the Russian round of WSBK, as well as the new branding for the series. The lack of times for the BMW World Superbike team are probably down to the fact that both Marco Melandri and Leon Haslam have spent time testing two different electronics systems, the system campaigned so far and developed in-house by BMW, or the Magneti Marelli electronics which have become the de facto industry standard. No decision has been made as yet, apparently, and BMW head to Portimao for another test, along with the Suzuki and Aprilia World Superbike teams. A decision will have to be made after that.

One more day of testing remains, but numbers will be fewer on Friday, as several teams and riders have already packed up and left the circuit.

Unofficial times, expertly collected and courtesy of MotoWorld.es:

Pos Rider Bike Series Time Diff Previous
1 Randy de Puniet Aprilia SBK Bridgestone 1:41.5    
2 Colin Edwards Suter-BMW MotoGP 1:42.6 1.1 1.1
3 Scott Redding Kalex Moto2 1:42.9 1.4 0.3
4 Pol Espargaró Kalex Moto2 1:43.0 1.5 0.1
5 Tito Rabat Kalex Moto2 1:43.3 1.8 0.3
6 Iván Silva FTR-Kawasaki MotoGP 1:43.5 2.0 0.2
7 Mika Kallio Kalex Moto2 1:43.5 2.0 0.0
8 Bradley Smith Tech3 Moto2 1:43.6 2.1 0.1
9 Gino Rea Moriwaki Moto2 1:43.8 2.3 0.2
10 Alex De Angelis Suter Moto2 1:43.9 2.4 0.1
11 Yonny Hernández FTR-Kawasaki MotoGP 1:44.0 2.5 0.1
12 Yuki Takahashi Suter Moto2 1:44.2 2.7 0.2
13 Axel Pons Kalex Moto2 1:44.7 3.2 0.5
14 Toni Elías Suter Moto2 1:44.7 3.2 0.0
15 Nico Terol Suter Moto2 1:44.9 3.4 0.2
16 Xavier Simeon Tech3 Moto2 1:45.0 3.5 0.1

2011 MotoGP Pole: Casey Stoner, 1'38.757
2011 Moto2 Pole: Stefan Bradl, 1'42.706

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....... has been proved before, the #CRT are getting quicker all the time.

Yes I know CRT will never be as quick as GP bikes, but this will hopefully open some eyes to the blinded fools who think GP bikes are here to stay ......

Give it a few years ( '14 / 15 ) and there will be NO GP bikes on the grid.

Rock on CRT. Rock on Moto3 in 2012. " you " are the future.

Total votes: 114

And you know some crazies will convert some of the CRT bikes to street use :)

Those Moto3 bikes look really cool too , faster than the 125s already?

Total votes: 119

Jerez 250 record lap : 1'42.8 - Dani Pedrosa 2005.

On the other hand, RdP is only 1.6s off his QP time on the GP11.

Total votes: 115

Isn't it a WSB with carbon brakes and BS tires to give them data for a new frame?

I don't have a problem with expanding the allowable engine sources in what is allowed to race but what I don't like is the multiple team classifications and rules they follow. Doesn't the fact that Aprilia techs are in the garage helping develop a bike invalidate those teams from possible CRT status? Further, if Aprilia is planning on leasing entire machines doesn't that more than imply factory maintenance? David, your CRT FAQ only went over the case if Aspar was leasing engines. What if they are leasing entire bikes?

Again, I like the fact that Aprilia is going to develop what I see as a customer GP bike similar to how I could go to Honda and purchase a RS125 or RS250. But especially considering the lease aspect and factory personnel presence is Dorna trampling on the rules they just wrote?

Also, any Moto3 times?

Chris
http://moto2-usa.blogspot.com/

Total votes: 120

Yes, I'm all for an Aprilia-based bike in MotoGP but this seems to be pushing the CRT rules to the limit. An Aprilia superbike in the garage of a CRT MotoGP team, with Aprilia engineers present gathering data and giving advice.

Aprilia have very cleverly split their contribution into two bits - supplying engines and supplying prototype frames, but seperately - and as a frame supplier they of course need to be able to gather data. But how far can they go before they are considered to be participating?

I'm sure Ezpeleta will do his best to turn a blind eye given they need as many bikes on the grid as they can get. And I'm not against it myself. Still, it looks like mockery of the nascent rules.

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The way I read it, this is just Aprilia gathering data, with the help of Aspar, to help them go develop the CRT bike bike they'll offer to teams later. So this isn't the shape of a CRT team. Indeed, clearly this can't be a CRT as they're using a homologated WSB chassis. The talk of teams leasing the Aprilia CRT bike is a bit worrying though, I'd agree.

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As I understand it, Suter was in most of his M2 teams' garages throughout the year gathering data and providing advice, as was Steve Bones from FTR. If Aprilia do the same, it would make them look like a factory team. Unless somehow they all promise to look only at the frame and not the engine...

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Suter and FTR are not manufacturers of tens of thousands of bikes per year nor do they manufacture the engine that is being used in their frames.

Chris
http://moto2-usa.blogspot.com/

Total votes: 133

What are the factories to think about the future of MotoGP and their role in it? I can see it now as previewed by Aprilia and Ezpeleta's obvious mission to wrest control (and cost) of the series from the factories (Honda specifically) as further evidenced by his overlook of a possible rules infringement (by Aprilia). It seems eventually the factories will do just as Aprilia are and develop a prototype frame mated to a production based engine. I don't think they will have a choice since CRT's are the future according to Ezpeleta. And we will be stripped of the technological spectacle that is MotoGP.

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What I wonder Chris is what if they tested the Ape but then provided the build and spec files of the factory frame to say an FTR and then the Aprilia clone is just that a clone. Wouldnt it be a CRT bike. Just the frame made by e.g. FTR but coming wholly from Aprillia? I cant get my head around Aprillia being able to offer up a whole bike and that is the only way I could see it happening... right??

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But that is not what they are doing. Its just that we've heard a lot about CRT rules and not being allowed to have factory support and then we see factory techs in the garage and it is hard not to ask what happened to the rules?

If Dorna is OK with this approach then why shouldn't each mfgr sell a 'production racer' built around a their production engine and a prototype chassis? It would grow the grid with cheap bikes and apparently by the Aprilia's times would be a faster solution than the 3rd party chassis. The factories can have their factory team that runs prototypes and since the engine is production-technology based they can _sell_ the new production racers to satellite teams and privateers.

Chris
http://moto2-usa.blogspot.com/

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the rules are intentionally vague and up to the GPC's discretion. As far as I know, there's no rule against factory techs in a CRT's garage. That was just an example of the type of thing that might disqualify a team. The operative word being might.

As I see it, the point of keeping things vague is so teams can't wiggle through loopholes by following the letter of the rules rather than the spirit. This should also prevent teams acting in good faith from being hamstrung by technicalities.

basically, as long as the GPC feels an entry is keeping to the spirit of the CRT idea, they're good. Also, this is only testing. Teams might get less leeway once the racing starts.

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What were the conditions on track now compared to the conditions at the race earlier this year?

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I think the problem of the Aspar bikes being not considered as CRTs would only arise if throughout the year Aprilia will be involved in the developement. At this stage it is normal that there are Aprilia technician involved in the making of parts. They are not making a bike but a frame. Also they are not developing an engine, they are either selling or leasing it. I do agree though about the concerns that many of you have about the lease.

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Indeed ! Brilliant David. Right now, Aprilia are acting outside the 'Spirit of CRT', but are certainly not breaking any rules along with Aspar. Aprilia are doing much like their Ducati rivals did throughout GP 2011.
Series : SBK Bridgestone. I loved it.
I wonder how this thing will pan out at Sepang 1.
Evergreen Edwards smiling at 70%. CRT is intrigueing at worst.

Total votes: 135

Maybe Aprilia simply wants to see if their bike has the potential to compete as a factory bike, and not a CRT bike.

Everyone has been saying for years that the Aprilia is a MotoGP bike in disguise, well throwing the carbon discs and Bridgestones on it seems to verify that theory. They've built the bike to work with the WSBK series' Pirellis, so this data will allow them to build a frame that will work with the Bridgestones, and not be a WSBK homologated frame, so eligible as a "prototype" in MotoGP with their basic V4 engine (maybe with the gear driven cams back in place).

And if they sell them to customers at a much lower cost than Honda/Yamaha/Ducati are willing to sell their bikes, isn't that a good thing?

Seems like the revival of the TZ/RG style of bike from the 70s/80s.

Total votes: 120