2011 Le Mans MotoGP Race Result: Comfortable Victory In Controversy-Filled Race

Results and summary of the incident-packed MotoGP race at Le Mans:

Casey Stoner has rounded out a weekend of domination at Le Mans with a convincing victory, breathing life back into his championship hopes for 2011, but Stoner's runaway win will not be what the Le Mans race will be remembered for. The race saw several high-profile incidents and crashes, ending in a broken collarbone and a ride-through, allowing a surprise podium.

The race did not get off to a great start for Stoner, however: a problem with his clutch before the warmup lap meant the bike would not start, overheating the clutch when it did. That left him slower off the line, though still matching Marco Simoncelli and Andrea Dovizioso. His other Repsol teammate was too fast for everyone, however, the Spaniard deploying another one of his lightning starts to rocket into the lead from the second row before the pack entered the chicane for the first time. Dovizioso looked to have 2nd, until brushed aside by Stoner, while Jorge Lorenzo lined up behind Dovizioso in 5th.

The two leading Repsols started pulling away right from the off, Stoner passing Pedrosa into the final esses on the second lap. But shaking Pedrosa off his tail proved a good deal more difficult than the Australian expected, Pedrosa sticking with Stoner fairly easily for the first ten laps.

Behind the leaders, a fierce battle developed for 3rd. Dovizioso's hold on the position did not last the first lap, Simoncelli getting past early on. Clearly struggling with his bike. Lorenzo's tactics were to latch on to whoever was fastest, and score whatever points he could. Seeing Simoncelli get past Dovizioso, the reigning World Champion decided he needed to be on Simoncelli's tail, and Lorenzo barged past Dovizioso with a very harsh and physical move up the inside of the Repsol Honda on the way into the chicane. But Lorenzo could not quite match the pace of Simoncelli, just as Simoncelli could not match Pedrosa, the San Carlo Gresini rider dropping slowly off the back of the Repsol Honda pairing.

After the one-third mark, Pedrosa's resistance also started to crumble. Lap by lap, Stoner started edging away from his teammate, a little at first, then by larger and larger margins. From the halfway mark, Stoner was beyond the reach of anyone, pulling a huge advantage over the field and going on to win by a huge margin.

That margin was assisted by the action further back. Once Pedrosa had lost touch with his teammate, he started falling back into the clutches of the hard-charging Simoncelli. On lap 18, the two were together, and Simoncelli was looking for a pass. He found it on the way through Garage Vert, leading onto the back straight. But his pass left him on the line with the least drive, and Pedrosa powered out of the corner and back past Simoncelli along the back straight. Pedrosa now had the inside line, but Simoncelli had the better position on the brakes. The Italian braked past the Spaniard on the outside going into the Chemin aux Boeufs esses, the cut across Pedrosa's bows to take over 2nd. Pedrosa, braking at full power and with nowhere left to go, sat the bike up to avoid Simoncelli, but there was too little room. Pedrosa clipped the back of Simoncelli's bike, and was thrown from his Repsol Honda, breaking his collarbone. The only slight relief in the situation was that it was the right collarbone, not the left, where he had had earlier problems, that it was a clean break, and that Pedrosa may be able to race at Barcelona in three weeks' time.

Race Direction reviewed the pass, and came to the conclusion that it was an illegal maneuver, calling Simoncelli in for a ride-through. That put an end to any hopes the Gresini rider may have had of his first MotoGP podium.

With Pedrosa and Simoncelli removed from the equation, the battle for 4th suddenly became the scrap for the final two steps of the podium. The candidates were Jorge Lorenzo, Andrea Dovizioso and Valentino Rossi. Lorenzo was leading the dance, but using up his tires and bike in the effort, the World Champion clearly not having found a competitive setup at Le Mans. First he lost out to Dovizioso, and then with four to go, to Rossi, finally running wide and losing two seconds to the Italian pair in his effort. Lorenzo could do nothing other than limp home for 4th.

The battle for the podium turned pretty intense, all the way to the line. Dovizioso held the advantage, briefly challenged on the penultimate lap by Rossi in the final double right hander before the start and finish straight, only to grab the lead back from on the exit of the corner. Try as Rossi might, he could not get past Dovizioso, the Repsol Honda man going on to snag 2nd, and Rossi securing his first ever podium on the Ducati with 3rd, and an unexpected one at that.

Lorenzo was left to cling on to 4th, while Simoncelli passed Ben Spies on the final lap to grab 5th, demoting Lorenzo's factory Yamaha teammate to 6th, while Nicky Hayden came home in 7th, a long way ahead of Hiroshi Aoyama, who was in turn a long way ahead of the group fighting for 9th, a battle won by Hector Barbera.

The result has opened the championship up again, throwing a spanner in the works of Dani Pedrosa's title aspriations. Lorenzo still leads, though Stoner has closed the gap down to 12 points, Dani Pedrosa slipping to 3rd.

Results:

Pos. No. Rider Manufacturer Time Diff
1 27 Casey STONER HONDA 44'03.955  
2 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO HONDA 44'18.169 14.214
3 46 Valentino ROSSI DUCATI 44'18.519 14.564
4 1 Jorge LORENZO YAMAHA 44'25.030 21.075
5 58 Marco SIMONCELLI HONDA 44'35.200 31.245
6 11 Ben SPIES YAMAHA 44'35.564 31.609
7 69 Nicky HAYDEN DUCATI 44'39.521 35.566
8 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA HONDA 44'55.457 51.502
9 8 Hector BARBERA DUCATI 45'07.686 1'03.731
10 17 Karel ABRAHAM DUCATI 45'07.840 1'03.885
11 24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 45'08.023 1'04.068
12 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SUZUKI 45'08.147 1'04.192
13 5 Colin EDWARDS YAMAHA 45'03.007 2 laps
Not Classified
  65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 33'55.169 7 laps
  26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA 26'47.714 11 laps
  35 Cal CRUTCHLOW YAMAHA 10'27.276 22 laps
  14 Randy DE PUNIET DUCATI 1'43.987 27 laps

 

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I´ll like to be the first to say that my stomach turn when I saw dany grabbing his shoulder, this is a very sad day for the future of this championship.

And also that Simoncelli did nothing wrong

Total votes: 112

I was watching commentary in a language I did not understand so all I have is the racing to base my opinion on but if Simoncelli did nothing wrong then why did he get a ride through penalty? From what I seen it looked like he cut down into Dani's line and left him nowhere to go.

Besides all that hopefully Dani isn't out long if at all knowing him but it certainly will play some role in how this championship develops and not for the better.

Total votes: 111

Because race officials feared what would happend if thy didn´t, this was a hot topic last few races.

Simoncelli was passing round the outside, he was already ahead of Pedrosa, Pedrosa starts to straigten up the bike before Simoncelli. And he did had space to keep turning.

If he hadn´t been touched by Danni he would not had cut the next corner.

Pedrosa´s rear wheel left the ground twice at corner entry so he was on the limit of breaking and still Simoncelli entered the turn ahead.

Total votes: 113

Sure Simoncelli entered the turn ahead cause he took a wide line a squared the corner off which did leave Dani nowhere to go. I guess Dani could have ran on and either taken them both out of use Simoncelli as a bumper to keep himself on track but he didn't do that and is now gonna suffer likely the rest of the season.

Simoncelli is the Lewis Hamilton of MotoGP. Talented and fast but very stupid at times. Both need to be humbled a bit imo.

Total votes: 114

Simoncelli was ahead of Danny very early in the corner. And Danny starts braking late becouse his trying to avoid being overtaken. His back wheel was bouncing hard, he was on the limit of control, he gets the bike up rigth long before the contanct I think he felt he would loose the grip and crash (into the ground).

Total votes: 113

There is a great sequence on of pics of the accident on crash.net. You can not look at those and possibly think that Simoncelli was ahead of Dani early in that corner. I honestly don't know what you were watching.

Total votes: 115

But I will agree that it seem more first time I saw it

Total votes: 134

Lewis Hamilton is a world champion. Simoncelli hasnt even podiumed in motogp yet.

Total votes: 119

Was a world champion. I wasn't comparing their number of championships at the top level I was comparing their styles and attitudes.

Total votes: 124

I seem to remember that Simoncelli was world champion in GP 250's in 2008, winning more races than anybody else. And that last part goes for 2009 as well. That you don't watch it on tv does not mean it does not exist.

Total votes: 106

a mark on him now. I have my opinion on the incident, but I'm an armchair expert, at best.

Great day for Stoner.

Total votes: 114

A basic rule of safe racing is you do not turn over the top of the rider inside and ahead of you. Poor old Pedrosa must be reappraising his comment regarding having no problem with the hirsute Honda rider. I felt sick for him looking at the way he instinctively(?) grabbed for his shoulder. Please may he be O.K.

Total votes: 106

broke his collarbone, damm before that I was rootin for him to win. but I don't think Moto GP could be called "safe racing".

Total votes: 103

rode a great race. Wild stuff going on behind, kept me wide awake :)

Total votes: 113

Well Paul Butler, now your "contact sport" has only 16 riders on the grid with a title-contender out for the immediate future. Nice thugging, simoncelli.

Total votes: 113

After all the brouhaha coming from Lorenzo about unsafe riding, I think it's now safe to call him a hypocrite. That was an extremely unsafe pass he put on Dovizioso in the early laps, practically bashed him off the track. I guess it's ok when he (Lorenzo) gets rough, but not when other people do it to him.

Total votes: 129

almost forgot about that, that pass on Dozy and then Dovi got him back very clean, he didn't resort to like payback or anything.

Total votes: 113

That's the thing, and the reason I brought it up. With all the attention even more sharply focused on Simoncelli it's easy to forget Lorenzo's pass that, in my opinion, was just a rough as Simoncelli's. The only difference is that Lorenzo's did not have such bad consequences.

Total votes: 109

I don't know where the balance of safe racing vs competitive racing stands, I think the move was not totally dirty, maybe his ambition outweighted his ethics.. but definitive took Pedrito by surprise, he had nowhere to go.Is it official does Pedrito got his collarbone done?

Total votes: 123

they confirmed it on the Moto GP feed I was watching

Total votes: 122

Marco got that very, very wrong. You can't shut the door on a guy like that at that speed and both come away unscathed. Just dumb.

But it was no more stupid or over-ambitious than the Rossi move that took Stoner out. So why are they handing out ride through penalties all of a sudden? If Rossi didn't deserve one then neither did Simoncelli. Or maybe Rossi did deserve one? Either way, they need to make a rule and stick to it. Can't help but wonder if the recent publicity and complaints from JL didn't have some effect on the decision.

Besides all that, Honda will be filthy. Simo has done serious damage to the championship hopes of one of their top two riders. He needs to step up now and keep taking points off Lorenzo to help Stoner (and himself) for Honda. they gave him a factory bike... they will have expectations and he will have a job to do.

Total votes: 105

... have taken out a team-mate and title aspirant in a dodgy pass :)

Maybe if he was bigger he would have ridden out the impact. It's not fair on the little guys...

As for the penalty on Rossi for taking out Stoner, I think the logic would be that he'd already spent some time rolling about in the gravel.

Total votes: 108

Pedrosa crashed five years ago and took another rider out in the process (which IIRC was the first and only time in his whole MotoGP career) and this is suffice to compare him to someone like Simoncelli? Apples and oranges maybe?

Total votes: 102

Considering he stuffed his bike up the inside of his championship leading teammate? Then proceeded to take out said championship leading teammate? Yea, thats the same. Pedro was never the same after that incident and only recently started to get his form back. Ill say it sucks to be him, but kharma is a bitch. You torpedo someone's chance at a World Championship, and now the same happens to you. 5 years ago makes no difference.

Total votes: 113

In 4 races Simoncelli only got 1 clean race (2 DNF + 1 ride through due to collision).
Simoncelli IS a dangerous rider, Pedrosa is not, he took ONCE another rider with him, in more than 5 seasons.
It is business as usual for Simoncelli who got used to race direction warning and penalties for reckless riding since his 250 years.

Total votes: 108

Are you a Hayden fan? You seem to be holding a little grudge against Pedrosa here, because that argument to me really just doesn't hold up. Trying to pass on the inside when there's room, but getting in too hot and crash and take someone with you is just not the same as cutting someone off and not leaving him any space to go anywhere but crash into you.

With that logic I'll be expecting Rossi to be cut off like that in five year's time and break a collarbone. Oh wait, he might not race anymore by then. Lucky him.
On the other hand you'd also have to start fearing for Simoncelli a lot as he collected some pretty bad "karma" over the last years...

Total votes: 110

That argument never holds up to a Pedro fan. His issues are just "racing incidents" because that is what Dorna does for it's favorite sons and Spanish riders in general.

You want to talk about considerate racing? It wasnt considerate of Pedro to be racing his team mate who is 2 races away from winning a World Championship and holding him up like he was in 2006. And it certainly wasnt considerate of Pedro to try the same move that Hayden HAD to use because of Pedro's ego and then NOT pull it off.

Very inconsiderate.

Total votes: 115

What was Pedrosa supposed to do ?!

Watch the onboard, there is no room left at all. He tried to brake to avoid Simoncelli, but in order to brake you have to sit up first.

Simoncelli's move is NOT correct, you DONT cut off the line of another rider from the outside.

Total votes: 120

This.

Total votes: 123

A rider is not suppose to cut off the line of another rider from the outside? really......says whom??? then let's ban racing all together, it will save everyone some headaches on trying to figure out what really it is all about.......Moto GP is well on its way to become F1...

Total votes: 124

A rider cuts another one off like that, leaving him nowhere to go, what do you expect to happen then? Pause game, then restart? They either crash into one another or one of them crashes by himself. And these are motorcycles, not cars. There's no bumper or rollover bar. And these are real people. When they fall off from their bikes at that speed, people often get hurt, as we've seen again today.

Please don't turn other people's arguments for *considerate* racing into an unfair generalisation that we all want *boring* racing. It's two entirely different things and I'm pretty sure you also know that and you wouldn't want a death race á la "last man standing wins" either.
There can be really hard and competitive racing WITHOUT endangering other riders in the process and this is, IMHO, what people really want to see.

I remember Troy Bayliss saying once after a tough battle with Haga that he really enjoyed all of it, because he knew Nori wouldn't do anything silly and they can play around like that without fearing to end up in the gravel and hurt. That is exactly the problem with Simoncelli, I don't think he even knows himself what he's going to do in the next corner and so far he simply lacks the talent to absorb this non-thinking he prominently displays almost every weekend, so these things happen again and again. And this is what makes him dangerous, not so much the moves themselves, but the lack of thinking behind them.

Total votes: 104

For every 1 race like the Bayliss/Haga episode you are describing, you get 3 seasons worth of "parade racing" like we have been watching in GP with your "considerate" racing BS. This isnt a bunch of weekend warriors here. This isnt a club race. This is the peak, the top, THE place to be racing and you want them to be "considerate?" There is no way any racer in GP should be saying "I say good sir, you have cleanly bested me on the entrance to this corner. BOLLOX! But please, slide right in here and remove this position from me." Ridiculous.

This is racing ladies and gentleman. Its inherently dangerous and motorcycle racing ranks at the top. Would you rather they settle their differences with tiddlywinks?

Rossi only has it half right. Not only are the new crops of riders pussies, but those pussies have managed to turn the fans into pussies as well. Rainey, Roberts, Schwantz, Doohan, Hailwood, Agostino, Surtees are all laughing at these new riders.

Total votes: 113

So if Dani misses the next race do you think the odds of it being a "parade race" are any lower? Of course not. Good racing first and foremost involves the top riders being on track and healthy. So all those guys are laughing, why cause half of them probably can't walk straight? Ask Rainey if he'd like to walk up to any of these guys now and call them pussies!

Total votes: 122

That there is a difference between aggressive balls out riding and simply running into people with a blondfold over your hary head. In the end this is also costing Simo himself dearly: if he keeps taking others or/and himself out, it will be hard to become a serious MotoGP title challenger.

Total votes: 93

...at all. Did I contest hard racing? No, I did not. On the contrary.
And I didn't refer to the Bayliss/Haga battle itself, so no use in throwing the "parade racing" knockout argument my way which has nothing to do with the point in question. I referred to Bayliss' statement that battles are awesome when the people involved know what they're doing. Which Simoncelli doesn't seem to be, which in turn makes him dangerous.

But anyhow, no point to discuss when the conversation doesn't build on each other's views but instead consists of the mere repetition of the same argument. I also don't need to take any insults from you, so have a nice Sunday evening.

Total votes: 113

I get your point. And yes, you dont want hard racing when you come up with garbage like "considerate racing." Just because you say on 1 hand that you want hard racing, but... Thats not wanting hard racing. Its like saying to someone "No offense, but..." That doesnt excuse you or make it ok when you are about to insult someone.

If considerate racing is what you want, then you should be laying this at Pedro's door as he wasnt considerate enough to let the obviously faster Marco by and instead decided to engage in a dog fight that he lost. That would have been very considerate of him dont you think?

Considerate racing goes both ways doesnt it? Not just for the guy attempting pass, but also for the guy being passed. Or is it just a 1 way street?

This is the problem with "considerate" racing. You want to limit it only to when its your fellow being taken out in a racing incident. Other than that you could careless about considerate racing. I mean, why even bother to race if everyone is going to be considerate and just let everything be so easy? Or is this more of the unwritten rule crap?

Total votes: 110

Sorry mate but you're wrong on this one. Im all for hard racing but Sics move on Pedro was too much. He wasn't even close to making that corner. Even if Pedro doesn't touch him, he still runs it right across the gravel. Maybe he was slightly in front and says he hit the brakes at the same time as usual but the big difference was his position on the track. He was two bike widths to the outside of the preferred line!! When you're on a different line the braking a turning rates change quite a bit. For Sic to make the chicane clean he would have had to brake earlier and stay tight to his right going in then come off way outside to the left on the way out. Pedro was doing just the opposite and they probably would have crossed lines leaving the chicane. This is the only way. What he tried to do was ride the typical way through the chicane from an impossible angle. In doing so, he chops off the nose of Pedro who had absolutely nowhere to go. This is not racing, this is just out of control. I like Sic and I like that he is aggressive and does not mind trading paint but this was just reckless. He doesn't even seem to consider his own fate either, very lucky not to go down himself.

Total votes: 112

Precisely, Simoncelli was two bike widths to the outside of the preferred line. That was because he was giving Dani some space to make the corner. Apparently you agree there was room. And that he ran into the gravel was because he picked up the bike when he saw that Dani didn't make it. Also, when you are on the inside line, you better not brake early like Dani did, because you need to arrive at the corner in front of the other guy.

Total votes: 103

that Rossi, Capirex or Edwards are against hard racing, right?
Nevertheless they all state that Simoncelli move was wrong and dangerous.
End of the story.

Total votes: 111

#34 Kevin Schwantz agrees with me when I say that Pedro should have let Marco go by because Marco was obviously faster. So obviously that ISNT the end of the story...

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And Wayne Rainey disagrees with you. Playing rider top trumps is pointless, because for every rider you can find to agree, you can find another couple who disagree.

Total votes: 113

I dont disagree. But Frenchie is the one trying to play 1 ups with riders and close the case based on what riders are saying. Like Im just supposed to change my mind about what I saw because Rossi, Cap and Edwards have a different opinions than I do? Forget it. Im an adult. I know what I saw. More importantly, Im allowed to have a differing opinion. My point was that even top level riders cant agree on this. Whats the point of us arguing it?

I simply pointed out that the older riders would be laughing at these guys for their inability to not cry to race direction at any given chance.

Total votes: 96

and the very nature of racing for the last 50 years in grand prix moto is that "shit" happens, riders cut each others line, crazy huh??? guys will take a risk and sometimes mess up and crash.....this is racing.

You can go back to the race and look how Rossi also passed Lorenzo on the outside in the same corner than Sic and Pedrosa touched, taking Jorge's line away......guess what Lorenzo was watching Rossi very closely and somehow they did not touch.....watch it again...Passing on the outside is fair game, hate or love it.

I guess I also just learned in the last two weeks that motorcycle is "dangerous" according to a new crop of riders......who knew..... my mom always thought it was so safe.....

At the end of the day I am glad there is still riders willing to take risk that us the common of the mortals would not even fantasize about....

Total votes: 113

First question first: No, riders (and drivers) aren't supposed to cut across a competitor's line and make them crash. Not on a straight, certainly not in a corner. Of course not. In demolition derbies, yes, it's not only okay to cut across a competitor's line and make them crash, but doing so the is point of the exercise. However, MotoGP isn't the world's foremost prototype demolition derby series.

Second question: The rulebook says it's not okay. Perhaps someone with access to the MotoGP rulebook can look up the pertinent part? Ultimately, every rulebook I've ever read says what boils down to this: It's up the the overtaking rider to ensure that the overtaking maneuver is safe.

If Simoncelli actually thought what he was doing was safe, then his ability to determine such things is suspect. Proof? Pedrosa crashed. There's no getting around that.

So, either Pedrosa crashed because of ineptitude on his own part, or he crashed because of ineptitude on Simoncelli's part. Is anyone really going to argue Pedrosa crashed because of ineptitude on his own part?

And, if Simoncelli knew what he was doing was unsafe and he did it anyway, well a ride-through penalty is nowhere near enough.

Either way, whether he knew it was unsafe and still did it or he had no idea that he was going to make another rider crash, his judgement has to be called into question. Not because of politics, but because of the actual event.

Finally, please don't anybody compare what Simoncelli did to Pedrosa to what Lorenzo did to Dovizioso earlier in the race. Everything about those two situations is different. From the overtaking riders' positions on the track relative to the corners' apexes, to the point at which the overtaking riders showed their wheels, to the speeds at which both incidents occurred. The only similarity is that both incidents involved left-hand corners. One was textbook hard racing; one was textbook harebrained racing.

Total votes: 118

Totally agree, and your comment was very enjoyable to read, so thanks.

Total votes: 118

I still am going to compare it with Lorenzo's move on Dovizioso. Yes, sure that was different. It was on the inside and Lorenzo was not in front yet when he hit Dovizioso, which is different but not exactly a plus.
The speed was not much different though, and if it was different it was higher coming into that first chicane.
The biggest difference is that Dovizioso did not crash, partly because he was on the outside, partly because he responded better. Simoncelli could have given Pedrosa a bit more than a metre space on the inside, but also Pedrosa would probably have been better off turning in instead of going straight. These things happen in racing, but nevertheless I do feel very sorry for Dani. I would like to see him take the title this year, so I hope his collarbone will heal quickly.

Total votes: 112

Simoncelli should know a rider can't avoid hitting you if you make a move like this. He was lucky not to go down himself. It was the kind of thing you try to pull off in the last corner of a championship deciding race. Here, it was just plain stupid.

Total votes: 114

Simoncelli and Pedrosa were battling it out, these things can and will always happen in this sport. I feel bad for Pedrosa as I like him, but why should any rider give way to another? It's just unfortunate.

Lorenzo's move on Dovi was just as bad... talk about making yourself look like a complete tool by having the audacity to have a go at Simoncelli and then do that. I hope it's the first of many non-podium finishes for the most forgettable (bar Criville) world champion.

Well done to Rossi for bringing that mule of a bike home in third.

Total votes: 113

Completely agree.

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Me too. Lorenzo has the very unracerlike idea that everyone's supposed to get out of his way when he's on track. He ran into Simo really hard last year, and you didn't hear Marco bitching about "unsafe riding."
And one more thing while I'm thinking about it. The pale, skinny Lorenzo wearing that baseball on sideways just screams one word; EUROTRASH!

Total votes: 128

It is one thing to leverage a bit of room on the inside as Lorenzo did to Dovi - and as our lord and master has done on countless occasions - it it completely different to KNOW there is another rider inside and ahead of you and slam the door shut over the top of him. If I thought Simoncelli was more intelligent I'd say the move was malicious. That was capital D Dangerous and has potentially screwed up a nicely developing championship. He deserves to be hauled over the coals for that one. His track record is there and it is stark.

Total votes: 116

While all the rest of it was happening, Stoner's win equals Schwantz's record and brings him to equal 6th in the all-time premier-class list of winners.

Total votes: 114

Gavin Emmett tweeted this: Superb comment from CS27 about €5,000 fine. "At least Race Direction made a decision, which is rare" !!

I am also glad that they made a decision about Simoncelli, he deserved that ride through, he left Dani nowhere to go. I don't really understand why he was being so aggressive, was he trying to prove a point? He obviously had the pace to stick with Dani and probably overtake him a few corners or laps further on. I hope he gives up his brutal tactics, as I for one don't find it entertaining in a 300kmph bike race.

Hard overtaking, go for it. Aggressive and over ambitious, should be penalised.

Total votes: 105

......I don't think Sic deserved the penalty. I wonder if any other rider would be penalized in exactly the same situation.

Total votes: 103

Maybe Sic should watch the vids of Stoners passes on Dani today and in Qatar, both clean moves ona team mate in corners that aren't usually good for passing

Total votes: 119

Well the difference is that Rossi crashed and in the process took out Stoner, whereas Simoncelli cut Pedrosa's nose at the apex. Pedrosa actually took himself out by trying to avoid Simoncelli. This has happened to me before, in trying to avoid an idiot I ended up screwing myself up while the other guy...All damages failed on me. Next time I know we are both going down.

Total votes: 108

"Next time I know we are both going down."

./golf clap

So you'll just be an idiot taking down an idiot then.

Total votes: 105

Really glad Casey won it. After the Jerez incident,the balance at the top of the table has been restored. It is regrettable that Simmo's actions played a major part in it.
Simmo was very quick all weekend long and I was really hoping Casey would be 'off like a dirty sock' so to speak. Dani was the unfortunate loser this time,but it could so easily have been Casey had he not gapped Dani when he did.
Great to see him level with Schwantz. I believe that since Stoner joined the GP ranks he now has 25 wins to Rossi's 26 during the same period. Considering his first season on the 990 at LCR yielded no wins,its a remarkable tally in its own right.
Also,a good day for Ducati having been able to race the Yamaha's more or less on even terms.
Overall a great days racing across all classes. Ben must also be breathing a little easier after a solid race along with Marquez after his miserable start to Moto 2.
Maverick Vinales would be my rider of the day.
3 weeks to Catalunya and no doubt plenty of 'bovine fecal matter' to be hurled about in the interim.
I do wish Dani a speedy recovery.

Total votes: 122

Shit move by Simoncelli. Besides being dangerous and reckless it was also unnecessary and stupid. He could easily have crashed himself. Dani had the position and he was left with nowhere to go. I want to watch racing, not this crap.

Total votes: 107

It's a great stat for Casey no question but your selling him short Pitbull, he has also managed to match Kevin Schwantz on number of titles as well.

Total votes: 110

Yep you are right, but Casey is still racing.
Lets see what his finishes up with.

Mind you have a look at the list of riders who went through there whole career without winning any championships.

Total votes: 117

For sure at the end of this season Stoner will have accumulated more wins than anyone else in these 5 seasons and could also bag a second world title.
Then he would be on par with Rossi concerning world titles but way ahead concerning race victories and poles, making him overall the greatest rider of the MotoGP 800 era.
Quite a feat, let's see what happens during the rest of the season!

Total votes: 110

As i saw about the race an good/bad day for Honda, Stoner was looking for victory since the start of the race, even the punch he did against rdp and the pay of 5000 euros for him really dont matter, he run and win.

the bad the break of pedrosa collaborne, is unfortunate than the guy have determination but how the moral will be now with this, i'll expect than he returns soon for race in montmelo, the bad luck was in his side again, am think tha pedrosa tried something different but he fail and crash, sic was overtaking outside the turn, as i see the error was mainly for pedrosa not for sic this time.

also race direction taked action taking in count the "Greatest" comment of lorenzo against an competitor, and after all lorenzo still have the luck than still leads the championship by a low margin,

Lorenzo maybe fears now than Yamaha didnt doing their work seriously for counter the Honda and the guy have to say pestilence against sic and have to make that stuff.

What race was looking race direction?, lorenzo do a dangerous maneuver against dovi at the beginning of the race and race direction ¿what they do? thanks no action against him.

Now racers than are too close to lorenzo must move with caution ever since, not because about lorenzo's skill, because his apparent favoritism by race direction than he can touch and do dangerous moves but others riders against him cannot do the moves he tends to like to do.

Total votes: 114

You have strung together many theories of conspiracy, but when talking about this incident alone, no matter who was involved, the move was bad by Simoncelli, he completely cut off Dani's escape route and Simoncelli was instrumental in Dani's crash. Simoncelli lost 3 positions, Dani lost a race and maybe more. I am not exactly shedding any tears for poor old Simoncelli.

As for the Lorenzo/Dovi incident, it was a hard move, but JLo did not leave Dovi no escape and he did not cause Dovi to crash.

Two incidents, the first stupid racing, the second hard racing, big difference.

Total votes: 116

Not convinced he would have had a penalty at all if Dani didn't fall off when he is in the championship race. Which begs the question what was it for, falling off and Simo staying on?? or Danis injury?? or the moaning of the time bandits at the safety committee.. clear as mud, get fit soon Dani especially gutted for him, if he had no luck etc.. and Simo give 'em hell next time out..

Total votes: 111

Pedrosa watched how sic was overtaking him before entering the turn and he tried to contain simoncelli rather thab thinked two times and try to overtake sic in a moment later, his idea dont went well like he wanted and unfortunately his front wheel touch the rear wheel of sic, as i see Sic didnt do wrong.

Just expect than Pedrosa recovers soon for Montmelo.

And about lorenzo, his overtake against dovi should be investigated too, for a gesture for impartiality, if he claims than no one must be aggresive and do dangerous touchs then he must dont do the moves he supposedly dont like.

Total votes: 105

I can't believe we have posts defending Simoncelli's move on Dani. Marcos overtaking attempt is one of the worst I've seen in bike racing. It reminded me of a botched homage to the epic pass Rossi made on Lorenzo in 2009 at Catalunya into turn 1. If you can remember back that far, Lorenzo had gotten up the inside of Rossi into turn 1. Rossi let off the brake, pulled in his right leg, and rode around the outside in turn 1. He went por fuera on Por Fuera which is quite a cheeky, epic move in the grand scheme of things.

In this instance, Simoncelli let off the brake to ride around the outside, but he simply rode over the top of Dani Pedrosa's front wheel. MotoGP is the world's premier professional series. They can find overtaking maneuvers like Simoncelli's at local club races.

I like hard racing especially discourteous block passing and other psychological maneuvers that are designed not only to gain an advantage on the track, but also a psychological advantage. However, when a rider pulls an inherently stupid overtaking maneuver that affects the race results and the championship, he should be penalized and perhaps suspended for a time.

Physical errors happen like the one Rossi made at Jerez. Mental errors are preventable.

Total votes: 104

Have to agree... mostly. My comment earlier re Pedrosa vs Hayden was just to say that "mental errors" happen even with the best and most correct riders.

There is no question in my mind that Sic's pass was stupid. You usually need to lean on someone a bit if you are going to try the outside, but to just cut across on a different line when the guy inside is already fully committed on the brakes... tunnel vision, brain-fade, arrogance or whatever, it needed to be sanctioned.

But it's done, it's over. Danni has a broken collarbone, Stoner lost points in Jerez, nothing to be done about it now. Hope it heals fast and let's move on.

Total votes: 113

seems I know far less than everybody else here. Danny´s bike was full upright well before the crash. He had both tires griping the track when he started to starigthen up with Simoncelli already infront of him, and they remained that way until he hited Simoncelli´s back wheel. So here are mi questions:

If he hit the brakes becouse his line was gone. why the honda seemed so under control during the hole thing?

Why did the back wheel never lost traction?

If neither of his wheels lost traction. Couldn´t he have keept turning?

If there was nowhere to go. Why Danny managed to get his bike compleatly up right before he hited simoncelli´s wheels?

Total votes: 115

I agree with you javi. Strictly speaking, the pictures show that Simoncelli was ahead of Pedrosa and that Pedrosa had some very tight space for turning. They also show how aggressive that move was.

A smart move? Not really. Simoncelli had plenty of time to pass Pedrosa and he should have waited. Strategically, Simonceli made an incredibly dumb and hazardous move. Sure, easy to preach while sitting here sipping my tea but they are supposed to be also rational at what they do (see David's post on balls and brains).

Said that, for me the real problem is whether that KIND of penalty was fair. It was not. Let the lad finish his race. There was plenty of time to study the accident with the help of the data collected from the two motorbikes. In case, give to Simoncelli a penalty of 20 seconds. Easy, clean, fair.

BTW, this is exactly what the BBC commentators suggested and I, for once, found them quite insightful.

Total votes: 103

There was no need to pass him at that moment and it was dangerous, just no so dangerous that he should have been punished.

One thing that I found strange is how quickly the decision was taken. Usually you get a message that says "incident between bike# and bike# is under investigation" and several laps later the punishment.

Total votes: 128

race direction, Rossi, Edwards and Capirex saying that it was a wrong move leaving no place for Pedrosa to go that's enough for me. I think they know what they are talking about, especially considering that Rossi is Simoncelli closest friend in the paddock.

Total votes: 114

> Why did the back wheel never lost traction?

I would imagine because he knows how to ride his Honda with both wheels
on the ground as much as possible -- which is the most efficient way to ride it
as you most certainly must know?

> If neither of his wheels lost traction. Couldn´t he have keept turning?

Well, given that he is one of the top riders in the world on the only bike he's
ridden since he joined MotoGP 6 (?) years ago I would imagine that he
stood the bike up so he could more efficiently slow down because someone
else was unexpectedly on his race line and he could not change that line by
leaning ever farther into the curb. He took this line into the corner before
he realized someone else was going to overlap his race line from the outside
(a rare and dangerous thing to do as has been pointed out elsewhere)
and he simply had no other option.

> If there was nowhere to go. Why Danny managed to get his bike compleatly up right before he hited simoncelli´s wheels?

Again, I would imagine that he realized his best option was to stand the bike up and hope
that he would be able to stop himself from hitting Simoncelli and getting even more
hurt himself. In hindsight (20/20 as ever) maybe he should have just plowed into him -- perhaps
he wouldn't have smashed his collarbone, although at those speeds I'm sure something
would have broken.

I have never been a great fan of either of these riders, even though they have both shown
flashes of brilliance over the years, but I simply do not see how Simoncelli is in the right
in this case. I believe I'm seconded in this opinion by some of the older and better writers
on this site. You can keep posting photos for your interpretation if you think it will help, but
I doubt it will.

Total votes: 100

So your answer to all my questions is: "Danny knows why". Not exactly the kind of answer I was looking for.
The point about the traction was:

If Danny was surprised by an impossible maneuver that left him no other possible reaction ¿shouldnt his response have been a little bit more on the absolute edge of control (bike shaking a little, some lost of traction of the wheels)?

Total votes: 107

Simoncelli's move was clearly over the line, he caused Dani to crash, and I for one am a Simoncelli fan and not a Pedrosa fan. Really, I think the rule should be simple - if you are deemed by race direction to have caused another rider to crash and he is not able to continue, then you should be black flagged. If both are able to continue, then a ride-through is acceptable. Hopefully this will teach Simoncelli a lesson; up until now I have thought most of his move have been hard but fair; this one is well over the line. Until he learns to pace himself and not try to immediately get the place back, he'll never win a race or a championship at this level.

Let's not forget Lorenzo's move, though; for all his talk of how he wants to race clean, and all his finger-pointing at Simoncelli, his move on Dovi was anything but clean. Diving up the inside and using the nose of your bike to push the tail of the leading rider's bike out is NOT clean. Luckily Dovi didn't fall.

Lorenzo has seem to become very egotistical with a single world championship; he really needs to practice what he preaches.

Simoncelli needs to grow up and mature quickly, or his days on a factory Honda are numbered.

Total votes: 120

As a Simo fan myself, this move was clearly too agressive. You simply cannot close the door on someone who has the inside line under braking.....The only possible reason Sic can say he was in the right is because he was showing a nose while they were both on the breaks ahead going into the corner and Pedrosa should know that that means Sic is going to squeeze....yet it clearly shows Dani was full on the brakes and was left with only the ability to trail brake and even that was not enough to avoid contact.

And I also agree with the above suggested punishments, however the use of the black flag cannot be used when they are "race incidents".......this however, is not one of those conditions.

Sic, you need to relax, your aggressive riding style is your biggest weapon but also your greatest adversary. Why you choose to ride like this when you are already clearly in the top 3 as far as race pace?!?!

Total votes: 104

I feel bad for Dani as seeing he seemed to be having potentially the best season of his life in Motogp. Simo needed to show more patience. All he had to do was wait for another oppurtunity to pass. The pace was there and he would have definitely passed him at some point. He did turn in too tight for Dani to avoid him. Normally I would defend Simo, but he was in the wrong this time.

Lorenzo has proven himself to be a hypocrite. He outright ran into Dovi. Knocked the man out of his way to get position. Then sits back and criticizes Simo at the end of the race after doing a move that was just a SLIGHT bit less dangerous and every bit of what he himself would call a dangerous move.

Total votes: 121

As far as the Simoncelli-Pedrosa incident, these things happen and Sic does have a track record there. While I feel sorry for Pedrosa I do like the risky moves from Sic as well - he definitely adds an unexpected element to a race since you never know what's going to happen - this is the pinnacle of motor racing so the others better find a way to deal with him. I see no real reason for anyone to feel sorry for others having to ride him - there is plenty of aggressive riders in all categories of top-level motorsport and that's just a factor the other riders will have to deal with - this is not your local karting club.

Do I condone super-aggressive moves regardless? No. Would I be upset if I were a Pedrosa fan? Hell yeah (so I understand other reactions here). Do I think MotoGP should be "neutered" from aggressive moves? No. Simoncelli adds a lot of "spice" to the class which in my opinion, generally, is a good thing and in this case there surely is an element of bad luck on Pedrosa's side as well. Others brought up Lorenzo's move on Dovi early on in the race - that one was just as bad and could have easily ended up in tears as well...

People get too worked up over this incident. Stuff like this happened plenty in the past and will continue to happen in the future. Deal with it or start watching tennis. It's a risky sport and let's hope Pedrosa gets back soon

Total votes: 131

It has been said. Sic left no room Dani ti survive, so he led him to fall. Again Simoncelli in an unfair move. In my opinion he must be left for some races on the box, forbidden to race. Starting at Montmeló. And get a haircut bloody idiot.

Total votes: 121

I think this is the culmination of the argument in Estoril. Some say heavier riders are at a disadvantage. Some say lighter riders are at a disadvantage.

This accident started two corners before. Marco has mainly one race strategy to use due to the higher mass vs acceleration problem. He must use high corner speed to maintain his position. This requires a high entry speed, precise apex and holding partial throttle until enough tire is on the ground to open it all the way. He used it effectively when he passed Dani the first time. A nice big U shaped execution. He used it again in the next corner when Dani went under him. He used it again at the accident site as well. At least he is consistent.

Dani used his advantage of lower mass vs acceleration relative to Marco in the next corner when he passed him. Dani executed a block pass. The block pass is simply a late braking maneuover that interrupts the U shape by inserting a V shape inside of it. At the point of the V the rider is not at the same apex or speed as the U shape riders apex. This interrupts the outside riders U line and slows him down.

As you can see Dani held the inside line going into the accident and was going to execute the V line again. Marco was going to use U line again. The U line requires higher entry speed which is why Marco was ahead half way through. The U line intersected with the V line at the most inopportune time and the V line came up short, today. Many people say Dani had no where to go. Looking at it from my armchair it looks like there is if he had stayed committed to his line there was 40 cm of room for him inside. It looks like Marco realized that Dani had not backed out of the turn, had second thoughts, and sat up and ran wide so he did not get taken out if Dani held line. They did not touch until Dani sat up first, Marco sat up and then it happened.

The point here is, that the heavier rider is at a disadvantage with this machinery and rules. They are forced to use one type of race line, mainly. The lighter rider is allowed to use two race line strategies. Yet they cannot transfer weight during braking. So the lighter rider is at a disadvantage.

This does not relieve the heavier rider from making the correct decisions when calculating the odds of success of their actions. This does bring back to focus the validity of 21 liters of fuel for everyone. With two race lines available to them would Dani and Marco have made the same decisions for all the corners? Maybe. With fuel as tight as it is (Stoner ran out on the warm down lap), which affects race tactics, this type of confrontation will continue to occur.

This accident is the partial responsibility of the rules in place (MSMA).
Dani for not staying committed mid corner.
Marco for allowing his impatience to out weigh his strategy.
Stoner for going too fast, making everyone else try too hard.
Rossi for calling everyone pussies. Inciting "machismo", thereby condoning this behavior.
Lorenzo for being hypocritical of hard racing, especially after he has his own incidents to account for.
Spies for not being fast enough and breaking up the fight between the two.
Hayden for not making excuses, like everyone else, even though he has none.
Yamaha for not making a faster bike.
Honda for fielding half the front runners and expecting everyone to "just get along".
Ducati because they haven't done anything today, including build a bike that is rideable.
Lemans for building a race track with these type of corners.
France for allowing Lemans to hold such a polluting event.
You because you read this rant to the end.
Of course I am not at fault accept for sitting in my chair commenting on this subject with such a nice day outside!!

Oh yeah, heavier riders are at a disadvantage (one line strategy). Lighter ones are too (weight transfer during braking). The two disadvantages collide.

Total votes: 110

Unfortunately or fortunately there are several camera angles to view this incident from.
Looking at the onboard from Pedrosa it looks bad for Simoncelli, but when you look at all the available footage I think it is clear that initially he was in front. As they progressed towards the corner, Pedrosa nudged ahead but he was outbraked by Simoncelli on the outside who was obviously going to try and make the manouvre stick. It's my guess that Pedrosa would have run wide or onto the gravel, Simoncelli was trying to get around the corner and held his line.
I don't think it's fair to be judgemental on things like this where decisions have to be made in fractions of a second under racing conditions. In my opinion both of these guys have a responsibility in this but it was just a racing incident.
The Rossi and Stoner incident was just the same, we have and will see this time and time again in the future!
What we are doing by over analysing and punishing is taking part of the spectacle away!
As for ride through penalties, I think that these are ridiculous. If the stewards have made a mistake, as in this case, there is no way of reversing their punishment! Better to have given a time penalty and forget fines, the rider probably doesn't pay it anyway.

Total votes: 127

Race control did not give Rossi a ride through when he took out Stoner.

Total votes: 123

Irrelevant post is irrelevant.

Rossi attempted a standard pass up the inside, it was a clean pass, Stoner knew where he was, Stoner's line wasn't blocked, he didn't punch him on the way past but unfortunately he lost the front and even more unfortunately for Stoner, he got collected. It was a wet race and this kind of accident is hardly uncommon.

It's a wholly different scenario, if you can't see that then you need an education in motorcycle racing.

Total votes: 117

I'm not trolling; I however don't understand what makes Simo's move on Pedrosa worthy of a drive-through given that Rossi was not penalized when he took out Stoner. Both moves seem equally stupid and dangerous, and if anything one would expect riders to excercise more caution in the wet.

Endaar

Total votes: 121

I had some strong reactions to both race incidents while I was watching live, but felt I'd better watch everything again before I rush to judgement. Having watched all of the weekend's shenanigans a dozen or so times, these are my thoughts (in reverse chronological order):

1.) I don't care who you are a fan of, NOBODY comes out ahead from Dani Pedrosa missing one or two races and a boatload of points. Not when the championship looked to be one of the most hotly contested in as long as I've been watching (i.e. more than two people with a prayer). Had this incident not happened, there would practically be a three way tie for the championship lead. Now Lorenzo is a further eight points ahead going into his home race. Also, the fact that an injury resulted from this incident obviously is going to raise the level of scrutiny and importance placed upon it and stir an already well-mixed pot.

2.) Bummer for Sideshow Bob. Were it almost anyone else in the field he might have been able to get away with an "I'm sorry" and it would have been shrugged off as a racing incident. Bad blood between riders perhaps, but soon forgotten in the grand scheme of things. Simoncelli may have a history in the 250s of dangerous riding, but I haven't seen anything over the line from him in MotoGP. Everyone is bound to make mistakes in the grand scheme of things--especially at those speeds, and it's tough luck for Simo that he made his when all of that unwarranted scrutiny was already upon him.

3.) And it was definitely a mistake. He may have left Pedrosa room, but not enough for the early apex that Pedrosa would require as a result of how deep he was forced to brake into the corner. You can only use so much brake at a given lean angle, and Pedrosa was already at that limit. Had he used the little space Simoncelli left him, he surely would have washed out. He knew this, picked the bike up to try avoiding the collision, and we saw the rest. I don't mind Simoncelli being aggressive there and forcing Pedrosa to back off by staying alongside him, but it would have been much safer had he stayed quite a bit wider, let Pedrosa get past the apex, and then block him on the exit. And if Simoncelli couldn't carry enough speed to stay in front through that wide of line? Probably means he shouldn't have attempted the outside pass.

4.) That being said, it was still just a "mistake." Not "super dangerous riding, and get that guy off the grid." Simoncelli didn't consider how hot Pedrosa was into the corner, thought he'd left enough room underneath him to make the outside pass, made a serious lapse in judgement in the heat of battle. I've seen other riders make very similar moves in the past and all goes well and nobody complains. In other words, I felt the ridethrough was appropriate. He made a mistake that cost another rider his race. Worth SOME kind of punishment. But being just a mistake and not malicious, I see no reason for any kind of suspension or anything like that.

5.) This might not go over well, but I'm not exactly sure what Pedrosa was thinking going into that encounter, either... He was HOT into that corner, and shallower than his normal corner entry point to boot. It was a pretty herculean effort to keep Simoncelli from beating him to the apex. Not that Pedrosa had any fault in the incident, but I question why he was pushing that hard. Hadn't he just given up a LOT of distance to Simoncelli in a fairly small number of laps? He'd have to know that Simoncelli had better pace than him. For all the people that question why Simoncelli felt such a need to take Pedrosa in that very corner when he clearly had the pace to make the pass sooner rather than later at another opportunity, I answer, "And why did Pedrosa feel the need to throw his bike in there that hard to prevent Simoncelli from getting by in that specific corner when he had to realize that he'd just be getting passed shortly thereafter anyway?" Not that any racer should just be giving away a position without a fight, but maybe when Dani realized that Simo wasn't going to back down during the braking duel, it would have been smart to just back off and not participate in that particular game of chicken.

Again, not blaming Dani, just wondering why he chose to engage in that particular fight.

8.) I don't understand how ANYONE can defend Lorenzo's shady pass in the beginning of the race. He used Dovi as a berm. They both were lucky to stay up. Is it awesome to watch from a spectator standpoint? Oh yeah. Would Lorenzo be wise to lay low for a while when it comes to pointing fingers at others for dangerous riding? Yup... Had that been Simoncelli making that pass would there have been a MUCH bigger outcry? Not gonna go there. It reinforces the point, though, that no rider is perfect. They all make "mistakes." Defining one incident as dangerous riding and another as a mistake is pretty shaky logic.

7.) Stoner's warmup punch was a non-event. It was certainly nothing compared to the dangerous situation that provoked it. I am tired of Stoner's on-track whining about people following him and "getting in his way." Seems like every race weekend at least once he gives some other rider the business as he passes by. He and Lorenzo both seem to think they own the track, and it's getting old. Sometimes there's just going to be a slower rider in front of you, Casey, and they deserve their practice time too. In this instance, though, when the rider in question isn't anywhere near on the pace? Yeah, they need to be WAAAAAY off the racing line, and I don't blame Stoner for being upset.

Total votes: 119

I enjoyed reading that, you make some good points.

Pedrosa did indeed have the option to disengage and fight later in the race and that would have been a better choice than what he did.

Total votes: 100

I'm a Stoner fan. Or maybe was. To use a British term, he's a bit of a prat. I just wish the other riders would take him up on his fist shaking offers ;)

If I were RDP, well, I'd be having a talk with stoner in the parking lot. I'm sure a few well placed words would make his head spin for weeks.

Stoner also gave the business to Hiro in quals. He was slightly out of range for a punch though.

With the Lorenzo/Dovi incident I can only think of one thing. HA!

Now for my unasked for armchair analysis of the big one :

In my mind it's a racing incident. I do not like to see a race result determined by politics and pit lanes because that's just a little too much like F1 to me and of no interest.

It looked like dani out-breaked himself. Marco took the wide line as usual and it looked like he left him room, however little it was, and when marco tipped it over to turn, dani instead stood it up because he was hot and possibly weak from his never ending injuries. I don't see him as an innocent bystander in this. He used his mass advantage to accelerate ahead of a clearly faster rider (by this point) on the inside of the short straight and then found he ran out of options on the breaks.

Now I'm left to wonder what will happen with GP. Are we going to have tape review judges looking at every pass to decide if it was ok? Or is this stuff going to be reserved for the non-factory teams who dare to mix with the anointed ones?

I prefer the natural checks and balances of motorcycle racing. Namely the fear of death and dismemberment and also that of getting a kick in the ass in the parking lot post race from other riders.

One final flippant remark... Ben, dump the suzuki blue color. It's slowing you down!

Total votes: 119

+1, Good Points, just taking focus on point 6, if the rockstar with baseball cap aka lorenzo says than driving like a mad max is dangerous then ALL RIDERS without exception must be punished by race direction, his move was dangerous too, because he touch dovi for fortune of dovi he was able to mantain.

If Race Direction will Punish illegal moves, then they must do their work without hesitation and punish every guy than violates the rules, ¿but they punished lorenzo? no, as i see lorenzo apart from being champion now have got alot of influence than can use for his own benefit.

Also the thing of Stoner, that punch, the guy is good, but being good dont means than have the right to do things like that, patience and discipline is something than he need seriously, and a possible call for him by HRC would be necesary.

Total votes: 114

@geddyt: I have a possible response for item 5. In the past, Pedrosa has been criticized for a "lack of fighting spirit". Did he, in his best season to date in the Premier class and in the heat of the moment, decide to fight hard for the position rather than give way? Then, when he noted Simoncelli was going for it too, he was already committed to his maneuver, because he was ahead of Simoncelli almost until the apex of that corner.

@DK. I did not see Agostini, Hailwood or Surtees race, having started following the sport in '76. But I'm not so sure about the implied "dirty/rough riding" ascribed to Roberts, Rainey, Schwantz and Doohan. Can you provide examples, please? And I don't mean the '87 Transatlantic Match Races either, where Rainey and Schwantz clashed. When they got into GP's they cleaned it up.
Back in the Roberts days, there was a good chance you could get killed when you crashed. The tracks were safer for Rainey/Schwantz/Doohan and even better today but I cringe at Paul Butler's words. You can race cleanly. Dovizioso is a good example.

Total votes: 108

What I mean is that racing has become just another victim of the nanny state mentality. From F1 and MotoGP all the way to NASCAR. We have riders going to the safety commission to admonish other riders?!!? Are you serious? This is a akin to being a tattletale in school! He shouldnt be allowed to do this, it isnt fair or it is dangerous. Penalize him for me please.

Lets look at F1. NONE of the drivers today are a match for the greats like Stewert, Hill and Surtees. Hell, Schummacher had to kill Senna in order to win championships. And look at F1 now. A parade precession where you so much as touch someone and you are DQed for the rest of the year. NASCAR, NONE of the current crop of drivers could touch an Earnhardt Sr or Richard Petty in their primes. They do the same too. Bitch to the media to black list a driver and make "race direction" pay attention and mark said driver. Ridiculous.

Racing is a man's sport. And I dont mean that in the way of women arent allowed to play. I mean it in the way of man vs gentleman. Polo, horse racing, those are gentleman sports. Racing is rough and tumble, in your face, bashing and banging. Shit happens, you dust yourself off and climb back on. You dont run to race direction crying! There is no crying in racing! You got a problem with someone you play it out in the pit. You dont scarlett letter another racer. Look at all the previous champions in motor racing and how we hold them up. Dont even have to be champions. Look at how Steve McQueen, Paul Newman and James Dean are held up. They arnt called a man's man because they smoked and drank and partied. They are called a man's man because they didnt bitch and moan about every little problem they faced. They figured out how to overcome that adversity, just like all the great World Champions of the past. Thats what I mean when I list off all the older riders. They wouldnt bitch about other riders in public and to a commission. They would take up in the pit and then on the race track.

Most people dont agree Im sure, but Im just so sick and tired of the babies in racing, hell the babies in ALL sports now a days. 15 years ago I had to quit playing high school hockey because there were too many parents complaining about how aggressive I was. I wasnt playing dirty. I wasnt playing underhanded. I wasnt putting on cheap hits. I was just aggressive in playing the game. Some parents didnt like that and they formed a little commission and took it to the head of the league and all of a sudden I was spending the majority of the game sitting in the penalty box for perfectly legal hits. They were just deemed "roughing" which is a nice catch all term for the parents who want precious little johnny protected from the big bad defender. Its ridiculous and now I see the same thing happening in professional sports and it really is sad. Everyone claims to want to be a competitor, but thats only half true. They only want it on their terms. The minute someone changes the terms, they cry to a commission about it. And generally speaking, Im just sick of it.

/rant

Total votes: 105

I agree with you. Younger riders are more "Coddled" than men back in the day. But when they themselves do something they want it to be ignored. Still, I hope they keep bitching, and hope that inspires other riders to ride better. To beat the bitchers and create good rivalries. It could be the Snitches and Bitches vs the Scandalous! LOL!

Anyway...... I do agree with your point.

Total votes: 110

If Pedrosa had ben expecting Simo to cut across his bow like that they both could have made the corner. Pedro could have tipped in and they both would have run wide, or perhaps made contact and still gone down. But Pedro was surprised as hell and shit himself, got target fixated and hit the brakes harder at which point he had no choice but to plough straight ahead. But still Simo's fault for expecting far too much of Pedrosa in that instance when there would have been plenty of better opportunities ahead anyway.

Total votes: 112

Thinking about Simo's riding I recall another Honda pilot that clashed almost as often into other riders on track and was demoted because of it. He needs to learn that smooth is fast, not bouncing off other bikes and really should have already

Total votes: 112