2010 Silverstone World Superbike Superpole Results: Updated

Results and Summary:

Superpole 1

Michel Fabrizio was the first rider to go fast, with a lap of 2'05.115 in the early minutes, but the Xerox Ducati rider was quickly deposed by Sterilgarda Yamaha's Cal Crutchlow, the first rider to crack into the 2'04s this weekend. Mission accomplished, Crutchlow returned to the pits to await the challenge of Superpole 2. Troy Corser took 3rd similarly rapidly, while Carlos Checa raised himself up from the danger zone with 4th place time in the last minute of Superpole.

Out after Superpole 1: Josh Brookes, Max Neukirchner, Broc Parkes, Luca Scassa

Results:

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff
1 35 C. Crutchlow Yamaha YZF R1 2'04.580  
2 84 M. Fabrizio Ducati 1098R 2'05.115 0.535
3 11 T. Corser BMW S1000 RR 2'05.208 0.628
4 7 C. Checa Ducati 1098R 2'05.244 0.664
5 96 J. Smrz Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'05.290 0.710
6 52 J. Toseland Yamaha YZF R1 2'05.390 0.810
7 67 S. Byrne Ducati 1098R 2'05.399 0.819
8 2 L. Camier Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'05.445 0.865
9 3 M. Biaggi Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'05.453 0.873
10 91 L. Haslam Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'05.518 0.938
11 65 J. Rea Honda CBR1000RR 2'05.531 0.951
12 41 N. Haga Ducati 1098R 2'05.564 0.984
13 66 T. Sykes Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'05.615 1.035
14 50 S. Guintoli Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'05.616 1.036
15 111 R. Xaus BMW S1000 RR 2'05.886 1.306
Out after Superpole 1
16 57 L. Lanzi Ducati 1098R 2'06.060 1.480
17 25 J. Brookes Honda CBR1000RR 2'06.271 1.691
18 76 M. Neukirchner Honda CBR1000RR 2'07.041 2.461
19 23 B. Parkes Honda CBR1000RR 2'07.636 3.056
20 99 L. Scassa Ducati 1098R    

Superpole 2

Johnny Rea was the first to top the timesheets in Superpole 2 with a lap of 2'04.836, but he was quickly barged aside by Jakub Smrz, clearly getting up to speed on the Aprilia RSV4 which the Pata B&G team switched to halfway through the season. But the session exploded during the second half, with Cal Crutchlow once again seizing the initiative, ahead of Smrz, Michel Fabrizio and Rea.

Superpole 2 was once again a brutal affair, the axe falling on Noriyuki Haga, James Toseland, Carlos Checa and Leon Camier, among others.

Out after Superpole 2: Shane Byrne, Carlos Checa, Sylvain Guintoli, James Toseland, Tom Sykes, Lorenzo Lanzi, Noriyuki Haga, Leon Camier

Results:

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff
1 35 C. Crutchlow Yamaha YZF R1 2'04.377  
2 96 J. Smrz Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'04.633 0.256
3 84 M. Fabrizio Ducati 1098R 2'04.675 0.298
4 65 J. Rea Honda CBR1000RR 2'04.836 0.459
5 91 L. Haslam Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'04.885 0.508
6 111 R. Xaus BMW S1000 RR 2'04.937 0.560
7 11 T. Corser BMW S1000 RR 2'04.952 0.575
8 3 M. Biaggi Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'04.994 0.617
Out after Superpole 2
9 67 S. Byrne Ducati 1098R 2'05.026 0.649
10 7 C. Checa Ducati 1098R 2'05.035 0.658
11 50 S. Guintoli Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'05.066 0.689
12 52 J. Toseland Yamaha YZF R1 2'05.397 1.020
13 66 T. Sykes Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'05.564 1.187
14 57 L. Lanzi Ducati 1098R 2'05.903 1.526
15 41 N. Haga Ducati 1098R 2'06.425 2.048
16 2 L. Camier Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'10.663 6.286
Out after Superpole 1
16 57 L. Lanzi Ducati 1098R 2'06.060 1.480
17 25 J. Brookes Honda CBR1000RR 2'06.271 1.691
18 76 M. Neukirchner Honda CBR1000RR 2'07.041 2.461
19 23 B. Parkes Honda CBR1000RR 2'07.636 3.056
20 99 L. Scassa Ducati 1098R    

Superpole 3

While Xerox Ducati's Michel Fabrizio took first blood in Superpole 3, the Italian's time was quickly destroyed by Cal Crutchlow, the Sterilgarda Yamaha rider looking ever more dominant at his home WSBK round, slamming in a time of 2'04.091. Ten Kate's Johnny Rea was the next man to get into the 2'04s, but still nearly seven tenths behind Crutchlow, the only man to get anywhere near the Yamaha rider. Fabrizio ended up in 3rd, while Jakub Smrz rounds out the front row on the Pata B&G Aprilia. The two main title candidates, Leon Haslam and Max Biaggi, will start from the 2nd row, in 5th and 6th respective, and sit ahead of a pair of BMW S1000RRs, Troy Corser beating his teammate Ruben Xaus.

Final Grid:

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff
1 35 C. Crutchlow Yamaha YZF R1 2'04.091  
2 65 J. Rea Honda CBR1000RR 2'04.763 0.672
3 84 M. Fabrizio Ducati 1098R 2'05.083 0.992
4 96 J. Smrz Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'05.168 1.077
5 91 L. Haslam Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'05.595 1.504
6 3 M. Biaggi Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'05.682 1.591
7 11 T. Corser BMW S1000 RR 2'05.740 1.649
8 111 R. Xaus BMW S1000 RR 2'06.787 2.696
Out after Superpole 2
9 67 S. Byrne Ducati 1098R 2'05.026 0.649
10 7 C. Checa Ducati 1098R 2'05.035 0.658
11 50 S. Guintoli Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'05.066 0.689
12 52 J. Toseland Yamaha YZF R1 2'05.397 1.020
13 66 T. Sykes Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'05.564 1.187
14 57 L. Lanzi Ducati 1098R 2'05.903 1.526
15 41 N. Haga Ducati 1098R 2'06.425 2.048
16 2 L. Camier Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'10.663 6.286
Out after Superpole 1
16 57 L. Lanzi Ducati 1098R 2'06.060 1.480
17 25 J. Brookes Honda CBR1000RR 2'06.271 1.691
18 76 M. Neukirchner Honda CBR1000RR 2'07.041 2.461
19 23 B. Parkes Honda CBR1000RR 2'07.636 3.056
20 99 L. Scassa Ducati 1098R    
Out of Superpole
21 95 R. Hayden Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'07.677 2.013
22 8 R. Kiyonari Honda CBR1000RR 2'08.689 3.025
23 15 M. Baiocco Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'10.431 4.767
24 46 T. Bridewell Honda CBR1000RR 2'11.057 5.393
25 87 A. Yanagawa Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'11.230 5.566
Round Number: 
10
2010
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Total votes: 68

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Comments

Two Questions on Cruc's staggering pole: Will he RACE 1/2 decently? Did Rossi's 'input' help the set up of the bike?

Total votes: 82

Crutchlow got really close to doing a 2.03, I'm pretty impressed. A few years ago the SBK times were closer to 250cc times then Moto GP at a few of the tracks.
must be the newer Pirellis

Total votes: 106

Its more likely to be the new (worse) bridgestones on the GP bikes, they are still down on 3 years ago times this year most tracks

Total votes: 83

I don't know about total race times but I know the Michelin qualifyers were really fast.
I think they had front as well as rears

Total votes: 86

Yet another track where the WSBK guys are within Striking distance of the MotoGP lap times. What will the FIM boys do when they have 1000cc Superbikes and MotoGP bikes doing the same lap times? Or even worse, better lap times? Have Production bikes finally caught up to MotoGP bikes, or has the FIM simply neutered MotoGP to the point that this is a possibility?

Total votes: 110

interesting. however:

. i think the nature of the silverstone track (very fast) lends itself to closer times between the 800cc prototypes and the 1000cc production motors.
. WSBK gets "superpole" qualifier tyres.
. because it is a new track, the race pace during the motogp race was almost that of qualifying (jl99 was flying within 3/10ths of his pole time for much of the race) as riders were still figuring the track out in WUP

we'll have to compare times during the race. nevertheless, i'm sure there are folks gritting their teeth a bit in that "other" series...

Total votes: 92

It's not so much the FIM as the MSMA, given the freedom by Dorna, to make rules which allow them so much control that they've lost sight of what the sport is all about..
Bridgestone will bail out of MotoGP same as they have in F1..
SBK vs GP, equal weight, on Pirellis anyone?

Total votes: 88

What is more interesting, that Haslam during FP2 made a 2'05.586, while Capirex's quali time was 2'05.821. Haslam's top speed was 289 km/h, Capi's 317.9 km/h. I know the tires are still different trade but both race tires, so something gotta be f....d up with the GSV-R's frame, suspension setup or the electronics if a much lighter, way stronger 100% race prototype is slower than a well modded, but basically streetbike. Cause I don't think that Capirossi is any slower than Haslam. However it may turn out if Leon accepts the ticket to MotoGP with Rizla Suzuki.

Total votes: 94

You think the Moto GP times would be this close to WSBK times if there was a 'tire war' going on between Brand B & Brand M? ADD IN that Rossi & the Aliens are the ones turning the times & something 'smells in raceland'!!!! I'd like to hear what Spies says about this since he's the 'newest' member of the Moto GP club!

Total votes: 88

There's no brand B & M in SBK either..just brand P.

Spies is on record as saying his biggest problem adapting to GP was tyre performance..the new levels of trust his brain needed to recalibrate using the Bridgestones..

Pirelli have recently upgraded their qualifier, but these are still lard assed street bikes and their times shouldn't be this close..?

Total votes: 97

It's very difficult to compare. Fuel capacity is the main difference, imo. MotoGP bikes are faster in a straight line, and they probably have higher cornerspeed b/c they weigh less. However, I think SBKs would destroy MotoGP bikes off the bottom and in the midrange.

I'll try to explain what I think is happening, I hope it makes sense.

In MotoGP they have only 21L of fuel. Cornerspeed is critical for fuel economy b/c braking wastes energy, but cornerspeed gets riders hurt and it causes some areas of the circuits to be unsafe. Dorna have addressed this issue by regulating the front tire (imo, it actually started in 2008 with an agreement between Michelin and Bridgestone, they did the same thing in F1).

I think the GP front tire profile is less aggressive and the carcass is softer than technology actually allows. As a result it can only handle so much corner entry g-force before the contact patch deforms and the front tire lets go. Unfortunatley, teams can't go slower in the corners b/c they only have 21L. To maintain cornerspeed, the teams throw as much weight over the rear tire as possible..

WSBK has no fuel capacity restrictions so SBK teams don't have any compelling incentive to ride cornerspeed. Cornerspeed lines might not even be preferable b/c people can block pass more easily. Instead, SBKs are set up for running late-apex point and shoot style. The qualifying tire allows cornerspeed style, imo, this is why Crutchlow is so fast in Superpole, but he can't win.

Long story short, the SBKs have more low-end grunt and midrange, and the bikes have more weight over the front end. When the SBK crack the throttle open, the front end stays down. On a GP bike with a rearward bias, wheelie control is working overtime. As the speed increases the aero advantage and power advantage of the GP bike allows much higher top speed.

If GP went back to 24L, I suspect they would gain a lot of time b/c they would ride SBK lines, but GP bikes would achieve much faster acceleration and higher top speeds.

Just a guess, but it makes sense to me.

Total votes: 80

The reason they won't consider upping fuel limits is because they'll lose the electronics package advantage.

Total votes: 92

pretty good analysis - but you couldn't help but squeeze a conspiracy in there could you - this time it was the tyre manufacturers :D

i definitely do like your theory of cornering differences - it is also this that makes so much of WSBK racing more exciting corner to corner and it is why 990s were so much more interesting than the 800s in MotoGP.

Total votes: 83

I can't help it. They had 3 emergency tire meetings at the end of 2007 to discuss rules changes or to adopt a control tire. After the tire meetings, they resolved to do nothing? No rules changes? They just talked their problems out and unanimously agreed that Rossi should get Bridgestones? LOL?

The GPC force my hand. They don't do a very good job covering their tracks. Plus, it doesn't help when the two major players in MotoGP tire supply were already known to have struck a few deals in F1 to keep the tire war going.

David, when Ezpeleta retires, you should ask him about the 2007 tire meetings and how they resolved to continue the tire war. It will be your best story yet.

:-D

Total votes: 87

Good one! Hilarious!

Wait, you were serious? ;-)

I think if you want to see what will happen to Carmelo Ezpeleta, you need look no further than his friend and mentor Bernie Ecclestone. Interviewing Carmelo Ezpeleta after he retires will require the intervention of a medium and a spirit guide ...

Total votes: 86

How about the fact that WSBK bikes have a 20% bigger engine. The statement "there is no replacement for displacement" still holds true.

The GP bikes are lighter and faster overall due to superior technology but that bigger WSBK engine covers a multitude of sins.

Total votes: 75

If you added 200cc to a GP bike, would it accelerate any faster? I doubt it. The 800s loft the front wheel in the first 4 gears so wheelie control is already working overtime to reduce the amount of power. It might help at speeds above 150mph, but that's a small fraction of the lap and much of the top speed gains are lost due to longer braking.

Acceleration is governed primarily by center of mass so it is the only performance criteria that SBKs can manipulate, imo, to stay within reach of GP bikes. Displacement doesn't necessarily improve acceleration in the realm of motorcycles.

Total votes: 104

If thats true then why are the moto gp bikes 25 to 30 kph faster at the end of the straight ? to go that much faster and corner at a similar speed but should be faster ( but maybe not judging by the lap time ) then the 800 must have a 20 bhp advantage at least

Total votes: 93

I think looking at times for this first year back isn't a good barometer for if these machines are equal. It has to be remembered that the times being compared are between Crutchlow and Lorenzo. We all seen what kind of times Rossi did on that R1 getting back to fitness. I have a hard time believing that Cruthlow would be all that close to Lorenzo on the same track on the same day if riding their current machines.

Total votes: 94

I really dont like to compare different championships, because it doesnt reflect the reality

Moto GP is way faster, if you line up a wsbk machine in there, it would always be at the bottom.

Sure 2 o 3 seconds off the pace doesnt look like much, but after 25 laps, thats a 50 or 60 seconds difference.

But to be honest wsbk today, is more interesting than motogp, there are at least 7 or 8 riders in the battle for the podium; meanwhile motogp, it has been the same riders, with the exception of dovi and ben.

and if you want to compare, F1 cars would be out of this world, because they have lap record of 1'30, thats more than 30 seconds, ¿so how true is that motorcycle are faster than cars?

Total votes: 77

I don't recall anyone saying that motorcycles are faster than cars. If you want to talk about the Maxton Mile or something then yeah the record for a bike is higher than the record speed for cars. That isn't what anyone was talking about though.

Total votes: 90

The only reason of pointing out the f1 cars, is b/c a friend of mine and myself, sometimes discuss about WSBK vs MOTOGP and for some reason sombedy always get f1 involve, so considering that this is a new silverstone track, i thought i would be interesting knowing the time sheet of the three major competitions that run there.

However i dont intent to create controversy about bikes vs cars

Total votes: 83

In brief, bikes accelerate much faster than cars, because of a superior power to weight ratio. However, once moving, tires take over. Cars brake in a shorter distance than bikes because they are distributing their braking force over four fat tires rather than one small patch on the front wheel for a bike. And the biggest difference is cornering, which is partly tires and partly physics. Cars use downforce to force the four fat tires into the ground, and can generate upwards of 4.5g in cornering. Bikes cannot generate downforce, and so are at the mercy of Bridgestone or Pirelli's prowess. Lean angles of around 70 degrees are possible on a bike, which means the bikes are producing a little over 2g in cornering force. That's the big difference.

There's a nice comparison of F1 and MotoGP at Barcelona here. Very interesting read.

Total votes: 88

Fastest lap, WSBK Race 1:
Lap 13 Cal Crutchlow 2'05.259 169,626 Km/h

Fastest lap, MotoGP Race:
Lap 4 Jorge LORENZO 2'03.526 172.005 Km/h

So for race laps (the only really fair comparison), the difference is nearly one and three quarter seconds.

Total votes: 88

Aero advantage of G.P bikes Phoenix? 20kmph is a hell of a lot of speed. Both 4 cyl GP & WSBK machines have similar power outputs in the realm of 230hp. GP machines are 15kg lighter, and the Bridgestone tyres are supposedly superior to the Pirelli's. So surely a GP machines main advantage is it's corner speed and ability to carry that speed off the corner negating a WSBK machines presumed superior 'stomp' when the throttles are opened. Not to mention the later braking abilities provided to the carbon brakes.

The Pirelli's have come on a great deal in recent times and do not really get ridden in point and squirt style (not by Biaggi or Rea anyway). GP machines eek out their advantage in decending order of importance via a combo of less weight, marginally better tyres and brakes all of which contribute (along with stiffer chassis') to higher corner speed & better lap times.

I also wonder does a 'softer' superbike ride Silverstones bumps better than a 'stiffer' GP machine? Perhaps this is where Haslam in particular had an advantage over his GP brethren. No other way to explain similar lap times with a 20kmph speed differential.

Total votes: 95

Yes of course GP bikes carry more speed through the corners which negates an SBKs superior grunt, but they also have more power and better aero. SBKs don't produce 230hp (at least not all of them). The GSXR-1000 engine doesn't even have the bore-stroke dimension to achieve more than about 210-215bhp. Same with the Ducati. It's maxed out around 210-215bhp.

So a heavier, less powerful bike, on worse tires with a lower top speed was able to turn faster laps than its GP cousin? This is only possible if an SBK has a relative performance advantage somewhere on the track. It's not braking, cornering, or outright speed. It must be low end acceleration through the first 4 gears. Acceleration off the bottom is controlled by center of mass b/c all of the bikes can wheelie through the first 4 gears so it is at least plausible that an SBK would have an advantage off the bottom.

Total votes: 82