Paddock Pass Podcast Episode 182: What Triumph Has Meant For Moto2

The latest episode of the Paddock Pass Podcast is a special edition focusing on Moto2. Moto2 commentator Neil Morrison is joined by WorldSBK commentator Steve English and On Track Off Road's Adam Wheeler to discuss the state of the Moto2 championship, and the effect the switch to Triumph engines has had on the series.

After a few thoughts on the series, Neil Morrison interviews Triumph's Chief Product Officer Steve Sargent about their involvement in Moto2. Sargent talks about why Triumph got involved, the pressure they were under in terms of reliability, and the sales and marketing benefits they have seen from their involvement. Sargent also explains some of the logic behind Dorna's remit to Triumph in creating the 765 Moto2 engine, including allowing for an expanded role for electronics, to help prepare engineers and crew chiefs for MotoGP, as well as riders.

Then, Neil, Steve, and Adam debate the state of Moto2. Who they see as rising stars, the impact Triumph engines have had, and the effect KTM's withdrawal has had on the state of the class.

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(1st thought to get out if the way, Neil's mic audio went from ok back towards not listenable. Bass filled voice a challenge? Yes. But mic placement and a simple equalization function is needed. It is easy. Huge bass cut plz and thank you. Again. Neil and Steve, you have solid contributions here as usual. Thank you! Love it. Neil especially you are a treasure mate).


Here there is usually a liter bike and a middleweight in the stable. 2007-2012 it was Honda 600rr. 2014 went Triumph 675R nicely appointed, love it still. Night and day on the motors (bikes? Revolution in every way). First thought is that the Moto2 class got a BIG step up. So did Triumph. The triple engine puts out a horsepower/torque curve of dreams. 

Reliability? The 2013 on Triumph came out of the crate wonderfully reliable, one small caveat being at full tilt race demands a single transmission part (fork thingajig) was failing. That got remedied. The Honda - Triumph reliability gap didn't exist. Kudos Triumph! At TT's, road courses and "goat tracks" aka bitchin BSB tracks, it excelled reliably in a lower state of tune than the 600 4's. Tilke tracks? Lacked a bit of top end rip. The handling though, GAH! Praised like baby Jesus. And it CAME with that kit. 

Much narrower and more compact powerplant, so balance of the bike improved. Plenty narrower between the knees. More ground clearance at lean. 600rr motor? Not much wrong w it. But no more can be praised. 

Okay, here comes a disappointment. Using a detuned grocery getter Street Triple 765 was a sad arrival for folks that knew what the motor had shown it could do perfectly reliably. The top end is...what to say? Anemic. I am in the shop now looking at the 675R stock redline of 15,000 plus some over rev. No reason to use the over rev, drop back into the torque. It yearns for a bit more aggressive tune, and WILL hold up just fine doing so. The Street Triple 765? Rev ceiling of TWELVE THOUSAND RPM. "Tuned for easy power delivery mid range."

Some things are so close, yet so far. --sigh--