Darryn VS Brad Binder

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Quagga
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Darryn VS Brad Binder

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Is Darryn's career following a similar trajectory to that of his brother Brad?
Let's examine their records for fun :geek:

Records

Brad Binder (BB41)
1995 Born
2009 14yr Started racing internationally with the Red Bull Rookies Cup. Finished the season in 14th, with his best result 10th at Jerez.
2010 15yr More Red Bull Rookies. Finished the season in 5th, with his best result a brace of second place finishes at the Sachsenring.
2011 16yr Even more Red Bull Rookies. Finished season in 7th, despite scoring his first international victory at Estoril (by a country mile).
Appeared in five races of the final 125cc season, as substitute for the then-injured riders Luis Salom (RIP) and current teammate Miguel Oliviera.
2012 17yr Brad ran his first full season, in the newly-created Moto3 class with KTM. He ended the season in 21st position, with a best finish of 4th at Valencia.
2013 18yr Started off with Honda, claiming 4th at Jerez, before switching to Mahindra, where his best finish was 10th. Ended season in 13th.
2014 19yr Still with Mahindra, Brad placed 11th in the championship, notching up his first two podiums: 2nd at the Sachsenring and 3rd at Montegi.
2015 20yr Back with KTM in the newly-formed Ajo team, BB41 placed 5th in the championship with five podium finishes to his name.
2016 21yr Still with Ajo KTM, Brad won the Moto3 championship. His first victory (of seven) came at Jerez, only missing the podium in three races.

Darryn Binder (DB40)
1998 Born
2013 15yr Started racing internationally with the Red Bull Rookies Cup. Finished the season in 15th, with a trio of fifth-placed finishes.
2014 16yr More Red Bull Rookies. Finished the season in 13th, with a single fifth place his best finish after a tough season.
2015 17yr Moved up to Moto3 with Mahindra. Finished the season unclassified (35th?) with his best result a 16th place at Brno.
2016 18yr Still with Mahindra, he finished the season in 25th position with best result 4th at Phillip Island.
2017 19yr Moved to KTM. Currently 12th in the championship, with a best finish of 4th at Mugello.


Comparison

Red Bull Rookies Cup
Brad had a much better showing in the Rookies Cup: scoring his first podium in his second season and winning in his third.
Darryn never finished higher than fifth in two seasons.

Moto3
Both joined Moto3 in the year they turned 17.
Brad had the advantage of a third season of Red Bull Rookies Cup, plus running in 5 125cc races, before his Moto3 debut.
Brad's KTM was arguably more competitive than Darryn's Mahindra (though BB41 managed two podiums on a similar machine)

Brad's first full season peaked with a 4th place. He finished 21st overall.
Darryn was unclassified after his first season, with his best finish a 16th place.

Brad's scored his first podium in his third full season.
Darryn is currently competing in his third full season, finished 4th at the most recent round (Mugello).

Conclusion
At this point in time, Darryn is behind Brad at the same point in their careers.
He could catch up by scoring two podiums during the 2017 season, which would give him another two years to claim his first win (and the 2019 championship?? :mrgreen: )

Both him and team mate Marcos Ramírez seem to have a competitive bike (KTM) run by a competent team (Platinum Bay Real Estate).
Judging by their recent form, it appears to be a matter of time before Darryn (and Marcos for that matter) podium.

Time will tell.

Quagga
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Re: Darryn VS Brad Binder

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Sadly Darryn never made the podium during 2017, and his form never recovered after breaking his thumb in July. Somewhat surprisingly he got a another excellent ride in the Ajo KTM team for 2018. Given that this is the team that carried Brad to the 2016 title, this might be seen as a make-or-break season for the younger Binder brother...

During winter testing he acknowledged difficulty in getting back into the groove, rarely troubling the top twenty (five). Despite qualifying down in 20th position for the first race in Qatar, there were some positive signs during the race: Darryn made up eight positions on lap one, and found himself in tenth by the time he crashed out on lap 15.

At the same age and for the same team, Brad managed five podiums on his way to claiming fifth in the 2015 championship...
Right now it looks like too tall an order for Darryn, but the season has only just started and I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

PS - Brad is progressing nicely in Moto2, steadily closing the gap to Oliveira.

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