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2018

Postby JanBros on Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:18 pm

dropping back from MotoGP to Moto2 does not seem te be a good path for succes. Neither Sam Lowes or Hector Barbera score decent results.
Sam Lowes is becomming very ridiculous. Today Rossi was the first person to score 5000 points in total in the premier class, Sam's main objective is being the first rider to crash 5.000 times :lol: I'd fire him immediatly :?
Hector scored an amazing 10 points, and is already 19th in the standings.

and Alex Marquez has very little chance of getting into MotoGP. it's his 4th season and he has been beaten 3 times by his teammate, and the 4th time is also in the making. And all that while being in the best Moto2 team.
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Re: 2018

Postby Morpheus on Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:29 am

Yeah, Moto2 seems to be a very difficult and highly competitive class. I seems to be a class you can get lost in and I believe the Miller move to bypass it was the right one. An excellent rider can end up being lost in the mid pack and this can destroy their career. It seems to be as much about the team you are in as anything else.
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Re: 2018

Postby Fingernails on Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:17 pm

Morpheus wrote:Yeah, Moto2 seems to be a very difficult and highly competitive class. I seems to be a class you can get lost in and I believe the Miller move to bypass it was the right one. An excellent rider can end up being lost in the mid pack and this can destroy their career. It seems to be as much about the team you are in as anything else.


Sandro Cortese? He's off in World Supersport or similar now. At 28, I would guess he's missed any chance of MotoGP.

I note that in Moto3, Martin is the only rider who has won on a Honda. All other wins have been on KTMs. There have been quite a few Honda second places, and with Moto3 often being about who gets out of the last corner best it may indicate that the statistic doesn't mean much.
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Re: 2018

Postby JanBros on Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:09 pm

And Sam Lowes once again went off. Can't believe Gresini still wanted him. Maybe Sam brings in sponsorship in the form of farings and other after-market stuff :mrgreen:
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Re: 2018

Postby Rick650 on Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:25 am

Lowes is not alone, he has competition.
Stefano Manzi has retired from 16 races in the last two Moto2 seasons, mostly due to crashes.
He has also crashed a lot in practice, sometimes more than once
Happily Manzi did not crash the one time he had a good reason to do so.
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Re: 2018

Postby Vmax666 on Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:36 pm

Gresini obviously see something in Sam as they had him before
And maybe Danny Kent is regretting turning down his chance to go to MotoGP instead of moto2
You would like to think in moto2 all bikes are equal but for whatever reason this does not seem the case
The customer ktm is obviously below the factory ktm or the team set ups are not equal
So being in the right team is critical

Looking forward to seeing how Darren Dixon does next year although wish it wasn’t on the ktm
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Re: 2018

Postby yamfan on Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:05 am

Darren Dixon retired years ago buddy. It’s Jake Dixon who’s joining moto2
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Re: 2018

Postby Tourn46 on Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:56 am

yamfan wrote:Darren Dixon retired years ago buddy. It’s Jake Dixon who’s joining moto2


Hehe :D
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Re: 2018

Postby Vmax666 on Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:03 pm

I guess that shows 2 things
Getting old
Should think before I type

However having watched today’s race ill be glad to see a major change in moto2 for next year. For some reason the closeness of the racing didn’t appear to be there through the field tecently with big gaps.
I know there would be differences between the different chassis but there seems to be different performance when on the same chassis. Is it all down to riders or is funding also a reason
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Re: 2018

Postby JanBros on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:05 pm

funding definitly is a reason. that and talent. What the official KTM team can spent, number of people to support the riders, ... is of another magnitude than the KTM team from Lowes. And Oliveira and Bagnaia's talents outweighs Lowes ambition also by a magnitude. Lowes crashed once more (5th DNF due to a crash) while Bagnaia and Oliveira finished all races .
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Re: 2018

Postby Vmax666 on Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:23 am

It’s a shame all the brits crash a lot but at least we have riders to cheer on in all the classes
Everybody loves a underdog
Can’t imagine having much interest if there’s no one from your country taking part
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Re: 2018

Postby JanBros on Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:45 am

I've watched decades of racing with almost none Belgian racers. I can asure you : it doesn't make it less interesting. I'd almost say that it makes it more interesting as one does not wear "subjective nationality glasses" ;)
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Re: 2018

Postby Vmax666 on Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:07 am

I just think this year is not a classic year for moto2. Might be that having changes will shake things up
I think they do need a level of electronic aids to make the transition to MotoGP or any other categories easier
Ktm seem intent on keeping a Steele frame but is that why they are inconsistent
Is the current leader the next big thing in MotoGP I don’t think so only because I am not sure moto2 is currently a good feeder class
Is morbidelli doing any better than miller did on the Honda and jack missed moto2
Roll on next year and powered by a great british brand ( although the engines are probably made in Indonesia)

I do think Dorna have done a great job at making all the classes more even
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Re: 2018

Postby JanBros on Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:38 pm

2018 should end without a Moto3 world champion. If my memory is right, that's at least the 3rd time this year Bezzecchi has a DNF because of another rider. Can't remember any of Martin's crashes was due to another rider (but I may be wrong).
Very sad for Marco.
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Re: 2018

Postby Tourn46 on Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:30 pm

JanBros wrote:2018 should end without a Moto3 world champion. If my memory is right, that's at least the 3rd time this year Bezzecchi has a DNF because of another rider. Can't remember any of Martin's crashes was due to another rider (but I may be wrong).
Very sad for Marco.


I am sure you're correct that it's now been 3 times... Pretty sure Martin's crashes have been his own doing.
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Re: 2018

Postby Vmax666 on Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:54 pm

I am sure one was caused by bezeci
But could be wrong
Martin is fast though and as someone once said it’s easier to get a fast guy to stop crashing than getting a slow guy to go fast.
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Re: 2018

Postby JanBros on Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:08 am

Vmax666 wrote:it’s easier to get a fast guy to stop crashing than getting a slow guy to go fast.


people say that but I'm not sure. Lot's of fast riders just keep on crashing their entire career.
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Re: 2018

Postby herbs on Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:38 am

Tourn46 wrote:
JanBros wrote:2018 should end without a Moto3 world champion. If my memory is right, that's at least the 3rd time this year Bezzecchi has a DNF because of another rider. Can't remember any of Martin's crashes was due to another rider (but I may be wrong).
Very sad for Marco.


I am sure you're correct that it's now been 3 times... Pretty sure Martin's crashes have been his own doing.[/quote

Martin got canetted in Jerez. Can't remember off the top of my head who the other lads were who were involved in that.
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Re: 2018

Postby JanBros on Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:24 pm

I'm not saying Martin wouldn't deserve to be champion. He does, just as Bezzecchi. Both were a cut above the rest.

just ... I don't know ... would have a "bad taste" for me.
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Re: 2018

Postby Tourn46 on Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:42 pm

JanBros wrote:I'm not saying Martin wouldn't deserve to be champion. He does, just as Bezzecchi. Both were a cut above the rest.

just ... I don't know ... would have a "bad taste" for me.


I'm happy to accept it for what it is... but I do totally understand what you mean. The preference would always for it to be settled on track without interference such as being taken out by others.

I do think Martin is probably the fastest guy on the grid right now, but that's not always enough... Bezzecchi has come from nowhere this year which is what I've enjoyed, I expected Martin to be there, but did not expect Bezz to be this fast, this consistently.

Both been awesome.
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Re: 2018

Postby Fingernails on Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:50 pm

Tourn46 wrote:
I'm happy to accept it for what it is... but I do totally understand what you mean. The preference would always for it to be settled on track without interference such as being taken out by others.

I do think Martin is probably the fastest guy on the grid right now, but that's not always enough... Bezzecchi has come from nowhere this year which is what I've enjoyed, I expected Martin to be there, but did not expect Bezz to be this fast, this consistently.

Both been awesome.


Where will Bezzecchi be next year?
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Re: 2018

Postby Tourn46 on Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:43 pm

Fingernails wrote:
Where will Bezzecchi be next year?


Red Bull KTM in Moto2 (the Tech3 one, not the one alongside Binder)... a very good seat.
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Re: 2018

Postby Vmax666 on Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:36 am

Let’s hope all the teams get up to speed fast next year and we have close races with many different winners
Although I think the electronic system and adaption of the teams to them will be critical
Looking forward to seeing how the testing goes and seeing which chassis may have a advantage
Some of the teams who were a bit inconsistent this year may well be better of with the advantages of electronics for example maybe speed up will be more consistent with both riders
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Re: 2018

Postby Fingernails on Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:38 am

Tourn46 wrote:Red Bull KTM in Moto2 (the Tech3 one, not the one alongside Binder)... a very good seat.


Thanks.
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Re: 2018

Postby Vmax666 on Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:42 am

After testing it looks like the changes have been positive
Good to see lowes near the front
But I think Martin will be champ next year. But it will be close
Looking forward to seeing the difference over a full race with a more torquey engine and better electronics
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