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What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:54 am
by Vmax666
Surely senior management at aprilia can’t be happy with how the racing team is being run
Is it purely a money issue or just plain bad management
Why don’t they just let gressini run the whole show

As if getting turned down by good riders isn’t bad enough they can’t even decide which rider from their own test team to pick
Is it they don’t have the resources to run 2 riders
If they can’t make a decision on riders there must be a big void in deciding what mods they are going to make for the bike

Time to reset get new staff and decide where they want to be in 2 years and have a plan for how they are going to attract top class riders

Unbelievable

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:43 am
by Mikesbytes
I'm guessing they don't have any money to pay for riders and also Aprilia isn't being seen as a path to greatness by the Moto2 riders, so better off to get a great result in Moto2 and then move to a team that can put you on the podium.

https://www.mcnews.com.au/aprilia-motog ... y-settled/

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:54 am
by Fingernails
Mikesbytes wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:43 am
I'm guessing they don't have any money to pay for riders and also Aprilia isn't being seen as a path to greatness by the Moto2 riders, so better off to get a great result in Moto2 and then move to a team that can put you on the podium.

https://www.mcnews.com.au/aprilia-motog ... y-settled/
I think Dovi said that he wouldn't go to Aprilia unless they increased their investment considerably, and their parent company (PIaggio?) said no. So, money will be short. Given the financing, the bike doesn't seem too bad. But, perhaps Espargaro is maximising its potential.

It might be that we hear more about what is happening within the team once some current riders leave. As before.

Personally I don't see a problem with swapping Bradders out for Salvatori. Bradders had ample chance and didn't seem to be going anywhere. Might as well give Salvatori a go at the end of the season.

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:21 pm
by bikermike
I'd be curious to know what happened with Chaz (maybe Chaz and Brad sound similar in Italian...)

But TBH,
1) they are back of the Grid. Someone has to be, and it's them
2) they have limited funds and have to cut their cloth accordingly
3) they have just developed a completely new bike

I think that it's Espargaro to throw it at the scenery every Sunday and try to generate some fast laps, points and general talking points (ie maximise their return on raceday), Smith to keep trundling[1] on as test rider or rider #2 - his main job being to ascertain what they've got, develop it, and not upset the applecart. The new bloke is the wildcard, he'll either blossom, get some good results and get poached, or he'll fail, become miserable and generally risk destabilising the whole thing. If option 1, Aprillia have a good year out of him before he gets himself promoted to Avintia, if option 2, he goes back to "testing" and Bradders potters round collecting any points that fall in his lap. There's no point replacing Brad with a hotshot ambitious rider who suddenly rues his turning down another rider when they can't bring enough new parts etc to the table.

Next year, once they know the bike, have had management time not spend reading the small print of the WADA code, Iannone's contract, the side of the bottle of everything in the Aprillia heffalump and medical cupboard, they can look at pitching for some moto2 talent.

[1] I say this every time I say bad things about Brad - as an ex-racer of near-zero talent, I am fully aware of just how bloody good he has to be to have got to this level, so trundle is relative

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:16 pm
by MiniNinjaMk5
I think it says a lot that Brendon Roberts has turned down the Aprilia ride. Really I think Aleix is getting all he can from that bike, riding the wheels off the thing, to barely get in the points. Aleix has always been good at qualifying (remember him gunning for pole on the Forward Racing Yamaha?) which I think flatters the bike, but you can't keep that pace up for the race.
But one year on a mis-managed, underfunded team which then stalls your GP career? Roberts has got an upward trajectory, signed for a good, WC-winning team in Italtrans. If he keeps his current momentum he will be in a much stronger place at the end of 2021, probably with offers from other teams, so completely understand why he is staying in Moto2.

Really I think Aprilia have been the disappointment of 2020, from everything we have read really expected more from them this year.
Smith to keep trundling[1] on as test rider or ride
I agree that Smith has been struggling of late. Really he hasn't been the same since switching from Bridgestones (if you remember he used to be regular top 6 challenger on the Tech 3 Yamaha). For anyone who questions Smith's ability (I know you aren't saying this bikermike) I always say go and watch highlights of the 2015 Suzuka 8-hour. Smith and Pol on the Yamaha, it was only when racing against other non-GP riders (still bloody good world and national level guys) that you realise *how fast* the GP guys are, it was something to be seen to be believed.

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:15 pm
by hdot
I'm honestly at a loss to think which factory is the worst managed. I might need to make a separate thread. Aprilia is up there but a big part of it is a lack of commitment from the mothership, which begs the question "what's the point?"

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:27 pm
by Fingernails
hdot wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:15 pm
I'm honestly at a loss to think which factory is the worst managed. I might need to make a separate thread. Aprilia is up there but a big part of it is a lack of commitment from the mothership, which begs the question "what's the point?"
I suspect they're getting the publicity/status that they need, and they're probably not concerned about people who actually follow MotoGP races. That's my guess anyhow.

Honda use racing to train engineers. Could the same be true for Aprilia. Just not many engineers?

Or something.

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:01 am
by Mikesbytes
In the past Aprilia have been in situations where one rider was on a better bike than the other rider. I don't think this is the current situation but it might be. I highly suspect the problem is budget and they can only really afford 1 rider so most enhancements are for Aleix and the other rider might not even get the new frame or whatever.

As for who should have the second bike, I feel that should be who can provide the best development feedback but what's the point of development feedback if there's a lack of development funding

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:35 pm
by kenup283
I actually wanted to take a deeper look at Aprilas progress in gap to leaders pace. My feeling is there improved with the new bike both reliability and pace.

That said they will be going thru financial withdraws as they will be loosing Millions of euros per rider in subsidies paid by dorna to independent teams.

So now going out as a true factory entry rather than a veiled one the mother company will have to pony up big time just to keep things as they were. A subtly I doubt the race team mgmt would bother to have pointed out preferring the surprise now we need more to not waste what we’ve already got in it approach to negotiations.

One thing I found a bit naive and overly optimistic is when their top rider says things like next season we have to be in top 6 each race or it’s a disaster. That coming at a time when not even the best factories would make such a claim when WC finishes an avg of a tick over 5th each weekend tells you what the environment in the team must be like.

That alone is enough to stay away of your a young rider.

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:19 pm
by Apical
Something is happening. Max Biaggi suggests he could be an Aprilia test rider too.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/11/25/mot ... refresh_ce

Not sure what "the thermal part" is. New exhaust as well. So I guess they mean cylinder heads, maybe? Cooling system?

Two new chassis/frames to test. Carbon fibre swingarm, because everyone else has one.

At least they are doing some testing. At Jerez most recently afaik.

Piaggo group; Wiki says "Piaggio & C. SpA is an Italian motor vehicle manufacturer, which produces a range of two-wheeled motor vehicles and compact commercial vehicles under seven brands: Piaggio, Vespa, Gilera, Aprilia, Moto Guzzi, Derbi, and Scarabeo. Its corporate headquarters are located in Pontedera, Italy."
Turnover about 1.5 billion Euros, "net income" profit? 46.7 million euros. A lot smaller than Suzuki; financially at least.

Re: What is happening Aprilia

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:15 am
by Mikesbytes
My guess the thermal part is the cooling system and its not a good translation from Italian. Is there anyone here who can read the Italian version of this article?