Tourn46 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:01 am
p4p1 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:41 pm
Is it adaption to new equipment? I think it plays a big part.
Is it age? I think it plays a big part.
Is it the strength of the competition? Well, nobody else has proven they can consistently beat Marc... yet. Is this specifically a 'Rossi' problem?
Is it no Jerry Burgess to help sort out his bike? Could well be part of it, don't think either of us are well placed to say.
Is it no electronic, bike or tyre advantages anymore? Shall we go strike off everyone else's achievements because of their machinery? Probably ought to scratch off any champion on an NSR500 too then. I never get why this only ever applies to Rossi.
I think control tyres showed how huge of an advantage being the getting tyres that suit you are. The wins really dried up for him after they were introduced. I mean there's only been 3 other riders to have won a championship on control tyres after all, it's a pretty elite club.
2016 showed how much of an advantage factory Yamahas and Honda’s had because of the electronics. How much of a factor his age has been since 2016 though I don’t know. Definitely helped satellite bikes catch up, however, surely the factory teams still hold the aces.
You know, you really try to complicate things... the guy is 41 years old. Time moves on, the body ages, competition evolves to beat the 'target'... Rossi was that target, now Marc is that target. Personally I can't see past 25 years of GP racing, getting older, bikes changing year on year, motivation to keep going... for me it is all time related and MotoGP riders are mortal too apparently.
Equipment could be one thing. As I said above, control tyres have been terrible for Rossi. On Sunday he made a mistake with his tyres so I don’t put too much stock into what happened.
Age likely plays a part but it’s been being used since he was the same age as Gibernau and Biaggi when he started in the class. I didn’t believe it played a part in his results when he was in his mid 30s but now that he’s in his 40s of course it’s a factor, especially in conditions like last Sunday.
I’m not just talking about Marc who would likely wipe the floor with any rider ever. I’m also talking about Stoner, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Dovi, Zarco, Vinales etc. Guys who have been consistently picking up more wins than Rossi h2h.
The reason why the bike, tyre and electronics advantages are spoken about where Rossi is concerned is because once he lost them we saw that Stoner and Lorenzo were better than he was. We saw both Stoner and Lorenzo put in similar seasons to Rossi’s strongest seasons on control tyres and without the massive bike advantage. Since then we have seen Marquez show sustained dominance as Rossi did in the early 2000s without the advantages. There’s actual comparable evidence that shows what happened when the playing field was levelled more.
The reason why I mentioned 2016 was because other than Stoner putting a Ducati on the top step only factory Honda’s or Yamahas won dry races for almost a decade. In 2016 things changed a lot. Ducati got stronger and without a doubt the factories still hold the aces but satellite bikes can now win. The switch to Michelin may have played a part in what’s happened since 2016 I’m not sure. But I don’t see why Michelin control tyres would be any different from Bridgestone tyres from an advantage standpoint for the factories. That’s why I believe that the spec electronics reduced a massive advantage that factory riders have had since the late 90s when they started getting incredibly complex. Outside of Marquez consistency seems to have dropped massively for the field. All of the main championship contenders can go from winning one week to only just making the top 10 the next week. It’s happened to Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa who had to have a disaster to not finish in the top 4 prior to 2016.