MotoGP 2020 - Testing

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MotoGP 2020 - Testing

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So far I've seen on Twitter than the KTM and Ducati have completely new frames.

Who's betting that the only machine nobody can see any differences with will be the Yamaha? :lol:
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Alex M has crashed after only 8 laps. Welcome to MotoGP young man

I was hoping to find a list of who's riding in the test but haven't found one
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Does anyone know if there's a live stream link for the Valencia test for today and tomorrow, let alone for the MotoGP website videopass?

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...according to german SPEEDWEEK!Image

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New fairing on 2020 prototype Yamaha, hopefully getting more air into a bigger airbox for some more BHP for all the Yamaha boys.

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Leucona's time seems impressive.

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https://motomatters.com/results/2019/11 ... times.html

Pos No Rider Bike Time Diff Prev
1 20 Fabio Quartararo Yamaha M1 1:30.163
2 12 Maverick Vinales Yamaha M1 1:30.327 0.006 0.006
3 21 Franco Morbidelli Yamaha M1 1:30.650 0.057 0.051
4 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati GP20 1:30.665 0.199 0.142
5 93 Marc Marquez Honda RC213V 1:30.698 0.365 0.166
6 36 Joan Mir Suzuki GSX-RR 1:30.811 0.381 0.016
7 42 Alex Rins Suzuki GSX-RR 1:30.958 0.447 0.066
8 44 Pol Espargaro KTM RC16 1:30.974 0.537 0.090
9 46 Valentino Rossi Yamaha M1 1:31.012 0.550 0.013
10 43 Jack Miller Ducati GP20 1:31.130 0.550 0.000
11 35 Cal Crutchlow Honda RC213V 1:31.183 0.840 0.290
12 9 Danilo Petrucci Ducati GP20 1:31.433 1.011 0.171
13 27 Iker Lecuona KTM RC16 1:31.645 1.081 0.070
14 29 Andrea Iannone Aprilia RS-GP 1:31.674 1.222 0.141
15 53 Tito Rabat Ducati GP19 1:31.775 1.559 0.337
16 41 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia RS-GP 1:31.815 1.579 0.020
17 26 Dani Pedrosa KTM RC16 1:31.863 1.827 0.248
18 51 Michele Pirro Ducati GP20 1:32.016 1.986 0.159
19 17 Karel Abraham Ducati GP19 1:32.034 1.990 0.004
20 38 Bradley Smith Aprilia RS-GP 1:32.090 2.240 0.250
21 33 Brad Binder KTM RC16 1:32.645 2.400 0.160
22 6 Stefan Bradl Honda RC213V 1:32.833 2.658 0.258
23 73 Alex Márquez Honda RC213V 1:32.873 4.829 2.171

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Re: MotoGP 2020 - Valencia Test

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Take a look at KTM's new frame if you can find pics.

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Valencia race
FP1: Pol 0.462 Iker 3.108
FP2: Pol 1.170 Iker 2.379
FP3: Pol 0.807 Iker 2.166
FP4 Pol 1.412 Iker 2.178
Wup Pol 0.665 Iker 1.675

Valencia test
day 1: Marc 0.535 Alex 2.710
day 1: Pol 0.811 Iker 1.482

There's only so much you can infer from the data and Pol's times bounced all around, presumably to do so with what strategies the Pol and the other riders did. At this point Alex's first day is somewhere in-between Iker's FP1 and FP2 performance which seems reasonable considering how awesome Iker was on the race weekend. I suppose to make a comparison between Honda and KTM would be Crutchlow vs somebody, perhaps Pol.
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Valencia test
day 2: Cal 0.467 Marc 0.707 Alex 2.386
day 2: Pol 0.836 Iker 1.666

Reading way too much into the data but Alex showing continued improvement

BTY this test Alex was at LCR, next test onwards he's at Repsol
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As someone said in comments section of Mat Oxley column - Maverick Viñales is Marc Márquez of MotoGP testing season [emoji16]

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Lecuona looked good at the test. Good pick by tech3
I guess petrucci has been carrying a shoulder injury for a while which could explain his poor results recently. And may be where the rumours os a swap came from
Aprilia riders looked quite unhappy with not having the new 2020 bike ready for testing. Leaving it till next year will make it hard to be competitive for the first race
Hard to tell if the ktm has got better.
Yamaha. Seems faster and as the riders seemed happy with the frame maybe they will now open up the power even more

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Ros wrote:As someone said in comments section of Mat Oxley column - Maverick Viñales is Marc Márquez of MotoGP testing season [emoji16]

hahaha

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Changed the thread to testing rather than just the Valencia one...

So... it turns out that Marquez hurt his right shoulder in his Sepang crash (this is not the shoulder which was operated on last year) and his crash at the Jerez test has injured this further.

We know he can win a championship with a duff shoulder, but does this give the grid some hope?

Personally, I don't want to see the championship go to someone else just because of injury, I'd rather all parties compete fully fit.

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Injuries can end careers. Just ask Jorge. They can slow a guy down, too. Just ask Jorge. Sooner or later the possibility of pain keeps one from pushing so far to the limits. At some point, sliding the front end isn't as much fun as it used to be and that's when the up and comers beat you.

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What has Suzuki changed that is putting both bikes in the mix? I think Suzy is due for some victories.

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gwcrim wrote:What has Suzuki changed that is putting both bikes in the mix? I think Suzy is due for some victories.
They have always had strong race pace. What I want to see is how they improve in qualifying.

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Tourn46 wrote:Changed the thread to testing rather than just the Valencia one...

So... it turns out that Marquez hurt his right shoulder in his Sepang crash (this is not the shoulder which was operated on last year) and his crash at the Jerez test has injured this further.

We know he can win a championship with a duff shoulder, but does this give the grid some hope?

Personally, I don't want to see the championship go to someone else just because of injury, I'd rather all parties compete fully fit.
I too would prefer that hope would come from technical and riding skill advances, not injuries.

BTW: Marquez is going to have surgery on his shoulder. https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/93465 ... er-surgery

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The Monster Energy Yamaha rider topped the Jerez test from reigning champion Repsol Honda star Marc Marquez, who crashed on day 1.
By the way Marc Marquez will have surgery on his right shoulder.

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Is it possible that Rossi, being from effectively another era of MotoGP, is influencing Yamaha's development in a direction which is out of step in 2019/20?

The Yamaha is often the quickest bike on a lap, but is just too vulnerable to bikes that can stay in touch in the slipstream and then pass them on a long straight.

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I thought about something funny.
Going into 2014 Marquez broke his leg and it was only just healed in time for Qatar.
Going into 2019 Marquez had the shoulder surgery which was still not 100% going into Qatar.

Both of those years were exceptional for him.

Now going into 2020 he will be recovering from another should surgery, based on previous results when he is recovering from injury does that mean we can just write his name on the 2020 title now?

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p4p1 wrote:I thought about something funny.
Going into 2014 Marquez broke his leg and it was only just healed in time for Qatar.
Going into 2019 Marquez had the shoulder surgery which was still not 100% going into Qatar.

Both of those years were exceptional for him.

Now going into 2020 he will be recovering from another should surgery, based on previous results when he is recovering from injury does that mean we can just write his name on the 2020 title now?
I would say all of the extra training/physio not only helped his injury but amplified the rest of his body to be above the usual fitness levels at the beginning of the season. So....him being injured just drives him even more to come back stronger. I guess his opposition can hope he doesn't get injured then. :D

2020 has a bunch of refined new blood who i see giving him trouble...especially FQ. Going by his form, he should be challenging MM every round. Ignoring all other factors and riders...I see MM leading the championship by 20-40 points by summer break with FQ behind him.

Allright fine - I'll make a fool of myself and post a mid summer 2020 prediction.

1. MM leading by 20-40 points
2. FQ
3. MV (could have been 2nd, but bins it somewhere)
4. Dovi (taking over Rossi's 4th place role in prior years)

Add some more just for the heck of it:

1. Rossi announces retirement during the summer break. I feel Lorenzo retiring will push him to do so as well seeing he is unable to compete for wins anymore (not writing him off just a prediction).
2. Alex Marquez does surprisingly well as a rookie. WELL SUPPORTED BY HONDA......
3. Cal Crutchlow announces his retirement mid summer.
4. Zarco to shit the bed on the Avi Ducati as the bike refuses to turn.....bins it...bins it...bins it...
5. Mir to move closer to the front and show himself to be a contender for 2021.
6. Binder to shock all on the KTM...
7. Aprilia - no comment. Hope Aliex gets the bike he deserves. Iannone to refill his sagging skin with botox.

Allright - I think that's enough BS to discuss for the offseason. :ugeek: :geek:

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I mostly agree to the above, but...

I think quite possible that we might see some (if not all) KTM riders regularly in the top 10. The bike has obviously made a huge step and they have 5 outstanding riders (Dani Pedrosa not racing but providing invaluable experience and ideas to develop the bike in the right direction).

I predict there will be podiums, including on the dry, and quite possibly a victory or 2. The orange army is comin’...

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Not exactly testing... but random off-season stuff. What a great line up of riders at the VR46 Ranch for the 100km race.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5dAgGKq9a- ... lpseyqxaf3

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Oliveira will be 1° Ktm, after 6 races, and then moved to a Yamaha for 2021.

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