Racing circuit pantheon

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Re: Racing circuit pantheon

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Dream schedule

Qatar
Argentina
Laguna Seca
Sebring
Aragon
Spa
Imola
Brno
Catalunya
Oschersleben
Welkom
Brands Hatch
Mugello
Misano
Suzuka
Malasia
Thailand
Philip Island
Valencia
.


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Oschersleben ? what's so good about Oschersleben

Valencia ? what's so good about Valencia.

Qatar Maybe, it's different, some issues, more to do with social problems & Geo-politics. read David's guide to which Gp to visit.
Argentina Yeah
Laguna Seca me to, maybe a bit tight for motoGp. I might get there this year for WSBK
Sebring Why? Sure I like the history etc.
Aragon not sold on Aragon but maybe
Spa Yes
Imola Yes
Brno Yes
Catalunya One of my Faves
Oschersleben Convince me why. Grandstands ?
Welkom Yes 2004 forever & Africa must be part of the calendar !!
Brands Hatch maybe, one of the best in U.K. I prefer Donington, Kropotkin prefers Silverspoon
Mugello Fuck yeah!
Misano maybe
Suzuka Yes great classic circuit, lots to learn, fast & dangerous. Rossi didn't want to ride there ever again after winning the 8 hour?
Malasia Sepang yes. loved being there last year. Too bloody hot & humid for mine.
Thailand Buriram Yes I loved being there last year. Too bloody hot & humid for mine.
Philip Island Goes without saying YES1
Valencia why
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Oschersleben 3.667 kms. 14 kurves or corners. Lots of car racing & sidecars. Some up & down "elevation changes of 23 metres." according to wiki. Ive see a little bit of WSBK at Oschersleben on the PC. before video-pass. not enough to remember much. Looks like it is on some car games. never tried it from memory.

OK the triple left looks like fun. All the corners are different which is good. What makes Oschersleben special ? the three corners Shell, Amman & Bauer Kurve look rather interesting. The the final corner again with a great name Zeppelin Kurve.

Maybe, hit me with your pitch, Faster 1. when you wake up.
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Tourn46 wrote:I like the corner name Bomb Hole at Snetterton.
That's another very good one!

They do need to put a big Dunlop tyre back on the Dunlop straight at Donington again.. still seems weird not seeing it even though it's been gone for years now!

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Apical wrote:Oschersleben 3.667 kms. 14 kurves or corners. Lots of car racing & sidecars. Some up & down "elevation changes of 23 metres." according to wiki. Ive see a little bit of WSBK at Oschersleben on the PC. before video-pass. not enough to remember much. Looks like it is on some car games. never tried it from memory.

OK the triple left looks like fun. All the corners are different which is good. What makes Oschersleben special ? the three corners Shell, Amman & Bauer Kurve look rather interesting. The the final corner again with a great name Zeppelin Kurve.

Maybe, hit me with your pitch, Faster 1. when you wake up.
without some straights sections between them, corners ain't what they could be.
Oscher is like possibly the greatest song in the world, but it's less than 3 minutes long so it's over before you know and there's no time to enjoy it.

All the great corner's in the world thank their greatness in a big part to the straight sections before or after them. cut all the straight sections short from Suzuka, Assen or Spa, and all their famous corners turn into ordinairy corners.
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This is not
JanBros wrote:the greatest song in the world
No. This just a tribute.

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I agree JanBros " without some straights sections between them, corners ain't what they could be " Absolutely, without the straights we have a Go-Kart track.

I wasn't ignoring the importance of the straight bits, just trying to get a response from Faster1 regarding why Oschersleben.

Also wondering what is good about Valencia? People say Jerez is too short & tight for MotoGp bikes, if so Valencia is mostly very tight, 1st & 2nd gear corners. The last double left hander is a good one. the first part, fast left over the crest is a pearler!

Yes JanBros the straights are an important part of any circuit & set up the entry to corners. If the straight is short we may not need to brake for the curve, just chuck it into the corner or even keep accelerating into & through. Fast straight bits give us passing opportunities on acceleration, braking & corner entry.


"All the great corner's in the world thank their greatness in a big part to the straight sections before or after them. cut all the straight sections short from Suzuka, Assen or Spa, and all their famous corners turn into ordinary corners. JanBros"

Damn right Bi-stroker Parallelus Bi-cylindricus, Quite correct.
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Faster1 wrote:Dream schedule

Qatar
Argentina
Laguna Seca
Sebring
Aragon
Spa
Imola
Brno
Catalunya
Oschersleben
Welkom
Brands Hatch
Mugello
Misano
Suzuka
Malasia
Thailand
Philip Island
Valencia

My dream MotoGP calendar now is:

01 - Argentina - febuary
02 - Laguna Seca - march
03 - Jerez - march
04 - Paul Ricard, 5km layout with full back straight - april
05 - Mugello - late april
06 - Spa (only if safe enough) - may
07 - Sachsenring - may
08 - Assen - june
09 - Mosport - june
10 - Phillip Island - early july
summer break
11 - Motorland Aragon - mid august
12 - Silverstone with all new tarmac, or Brands Hatch if any multibillionair buys, renovates and upgrades it all without altering the layout - late august
13 - Brno - september
14 - Monza - september
15 - Buriram - september
16 - Motegi - but my heart belongs to Suzuka - october
17 - Valencia - october

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CLX wrote: 10 - Phillip Island - early july
summer break
Midwinter here.
The place has shlt weather already. That almost guarantees it.

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Indonesia "Street" Circuit?

https://motomatters.com/news/2019/02/22 ... loser.html

I did a quick google maps on the resort and a bunch of streets all around. I imagine they will completely revamp this area to be a MotoGP track that happens to be a resort as well.

Any thoughts on how this will work?

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warthog1 wrote:
CLX wrote: 10 - Phillip Island - early july
summer break
Midwinter here.
The place has shlt weather already. That almost guarantees it.
My bad.

Revised:

01 - Termas Rio Hondo - march
02 - Laguna Seca - March
03 - Jerez - April
04 - Paul Ricard, 5km layout with full back straight - April
05 - Mugello - May
06 - Spa (assuming it can become safe enough) - May
07 - Sachsenring - June
08 - Assen - July
summer break, 5 Sundays without any racing or testing
09 - Brands Hatch - assuming its safety - if not, Silverstone - with a new tarmac - if not, Portimão
10 - Motorland Aragon - August
11 - Brno - August
12 - Monza - September
13 - Buriram - September
14 - Motegi - but my heart belongs to Suzuka - October
15 - Valencia - October
16 - Phillip Island - November

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Lol. [emoji106]
Better choice, but it is a pity that PI is such a good circuit.
It is almost the most Southerly point on the Australian mainland (well its an island so can't be, but Wilson's prom nearby is).
There might be worse weather somewhere in Aus but I'm not sure where [emoji3525]

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Qatar MotoGp until 2031

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Qatar have signed a contract extension until 2031. Far out in the future.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/03/0 ... 031/285417

That is one round that won't be getting dropped to make room for Indonesia, Finland, Wales or India. Despite some social & geo-political issues.
At least we know Qatar has a circuit & the resources to run a race meeting and pay Dorna.

All they need is a crowd of spectators.
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Apical wrote: That is one round that won't be getting dropped to make room for Indonesia, Finland, Wales or India.
Speaking of Finland, the upcoming Kymi Ring track is located about 10 kms from my house but I am a bit ambivalent about the whole deal. Take a look at the link, this is what the track looked like in last June after over two years of work. Do you think there will be a MotoGP race here in 17 months time?
Kymi Ring

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Hoping for a good outcome this time.

Like they actually have a MotoGp race, moto2, moto3 & MotoE, that would be a good result.
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That new Indonesian circuit sounds pretty cool - part street circuit that will be open to normal traffic in-between races.

Island of Lombok too so might be a good choice if you want to combine the bikes with a lazy beach holiday with white sand and scuba diving.
Tumi wrote:
Apical wrote: That is one round that won't be getting dropped to make room for Indonesia, Finland, Wales or India.
Speaking of Finland, the upcoming Kymi Ring track is located about 10 kms from my house but I am a bit ambivalent about the whole deal. Take a look at the link, this is what the track looked like in last June after over two years of work. Do you think there will be a MotoGP race here in 17 months time?
Kymi Ring
There was an article on MotoGP.com over the weekend that the circuit will be ready to test on, later on in the year!
They certainly sound committed - will be interesting if it can make it onto the 2020 calendar.

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Qatar is an odd one.

Middle of the desert, no tradition, human rights issues, futile night racing; but damn the racing is always good or great.

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MiniNinjaMk5 wrote:
Tumi wrote:
Apical wrote: That is one round that won't be getting dropped to make room for Indonesia, Finland, Wales or India.
Speaking of Finland, the upcoming Kymi Ring track is located about 10 kms from my house but I am a bit ambivalent about the whole deal. Take a look at the link, this is what the track looked like in last June after over two years of work. Do you think there will be a MotoGP race here in 17 months time?
Kymi Ring
There was an article on MotoGP.com over the weekend that the circuit will be ready to test on, later on in the year!
They certainly sound committed - will be interesting if it can make it onto the 2020 calendar.
To be exact, the track company made a claim the track will be ready for testing in August. They have 5 months to achieve a lot more than they have in almost 3 years. There's only a single patch of tarmac, no runoffs, not a single building except the worker's huts, just an old sand pit with a bank of crushed rock where the track is going to run.
They are looking for volunteering personnel for the upcoming MotoGP events, so, just in case, I left my application today.

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Interlagos

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Just been watching Alex Barros & Ant West racing superbikes at Interlagos Brazil. Looks like a good track. Quite a bit of up & down. The downhill bit from turn 9 looks a bit like the corkscrew. These corners have names so they must be good. Pinheirinho, Bico de Pato & Mergulho.

Apparently they have some 4 wheelers race there.

What do you reckon ?
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Or maybe that was the first three corners I was looking at. the Senna S. & Curva do Sol. I think it was.

Some parts of the circuit do not have much run off. some parts do, part grassy areas & lots of sealed run off areas.

Faster1 tell me more about Oschersleben, if you would be so kind.
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Good taste in race tracks demonstrated by the best MotoGp brain in the universe "Suzuka, Spa Francorchamps are 2 I would like to see. MotoGP at Monza would be fun." I just saw this tweet on the main site. Yes David I agree & like Dr Emmett says funding the improvements would be the tough part.

Suzuka belongs to Honda, who have some money. Other potential investors, Tepco, for example, could do with some positive PR. Formula boring might pay for some track work as they use the circuit. Surely there could be hope for Suzuka. The Suzuka 8 hour is still the biggest race in Japan & Motegi is less than ideal. I would love to see MotoGp back at Suzuka.

Spa Francorchamps Their website calls it "the most beautiful circuit in the world" I think it is one of the greatest.
Again maybe Formula Yawn could put in something from petty cash.
Perhaps a Belgian beer company might be convinced to invest at Spa. Some beer would be consumed over a MotoGp weekend. Diamond money?

Monza, oh yes definitely lets get Monza back on the calendar. Much more exciting than Misano circuit Marco Simoncelli. Sorry Sic.
If Monza was a MotoGp track that might take some pressure off Mugello, safety wise. Come on Ferrari etc hand over lots & lots of lira.

Yes go ahead & tell me I am dreaming. Who would invest? I don't know. If Finland & Indonesia actually get built we will have too many circuits for the calendar.
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Francorchamps can never be made safe for MotoGP, unless you'd want to fill half of the valey.
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Oh, but Eau Rouge/Raidillon with 100m of waist-deep whipped cream runoff?

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the main problem isn't even the Radillon, but the extremely fast Blanchimont.
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I was also thinking about Pouhon which looks really fast when F1 goes there but on a bike that blanchimont does look unfixable.

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