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Some interesting stuff from BridgeStone, for anyone who hasn't seen it yet:
(I actually had time to look at them this week...)


http://www.bridgestonemotorsport.com/Ch ... _Catalunya
http://www.bridgestonemotorsport.com/Statistics/2012
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Nice track walk with Yamaha and Wilco Zeelenberg

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FP1 - nice tight field up the front, hope it continues that way for the whole weekend. All the prototype bikes within 1 second!
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FP2 - whoa, times just went to everywhere.. I'm guessing Pedrosa and Stoner tried dialing in the new fronts and saving their old fronts for the race? Hard to pick anything useful from that session.
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Everyone except Ben, Dani and Casey went for options in their last stints. Indeed hard to draw any decent conclusions.

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Nachlauf wrote:Everyone except Ben, Dani and Casey went for options in their last stints. Indeed hard to draw any decent conclusions.
According to Davide Brivio, Rossi, Stoner and Pedrosa all stayed on the Hard Tyres for the whole session.

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,, Aluminum swing-arm not paying dividends ?
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Stoner 10th in practice 2?
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Based on the info available (everyone but Spies, Pedrosa, Stoner, Rossi on soft tires for their last run), these are the top times on hard tires.

1. Spies (?): 1:42.801
2. Lorenzo: 1:42.870
3. Pedrosa: 1:43.116
4. Stoner: 1:43.134
5. Crutchlow: 1:43.201
6. Dovizioso: 1:43.209
7. Bautista: 1:43.537
8. Rossi: 1:43.538
9. Hayden: 1:43.592
10. Bradl: 1:43.717
11. Abraham: 1:43.927
12. Barbera: 1:44.522

The Yamaha's look to be in good shape, but Ducati haven't found anything after their last test, as they are still behind the Tech3 riders.

EDIT: Spies may have been on the soft tire, reports aren't quite clear.
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Anyone who saw it, can you please tell me who the hell Barbera got a tow off this time ?

My guess is Bautista. I don't care who you are, you don't go nearly two seconds quicker than you did in FP 1 with a set up tweak and soft tyres.


1 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 334.0 1'42.099
2 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 333.7 1'42.306 0.207 / 0.207
3 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 334.0 1'42.447 0.348 / 0.141
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 335.6 1'42.592 0.493 / 0.145
5 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 335.0 1'42.639 0.540 / 0.047
6 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 333.4 1'42.802 0.703 / 0.163
7 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 336.6 1'42.870 0.771 / 0.068
8 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 336.0 1'42.943 0.844 / 0.073
9 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 334.6 1'43.057 0.958 / 0.114
10 1 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 336.6 1'43.134 1.035 / 0.077
11 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 332.7 1'43.341 1.242 / 0.207
12 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 336.4 1'43.538 1.439 / 0.197
13 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Power Electronics Aspar ART 316.6 1'44.738 2.639 / 1.200
14 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Power Electronics Aspar ART 320.7 1'44.771 2.672 / 0.033
15 51 Michele PIRRO ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini FTR 312.0 1'45.631 3.532 / 0.860
16 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Mobile Forward Racing Suter 313.8 1'45.868 3.769 / 0.237
17 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Avintia Blusens BQR 317.4 1'46.450 4.351 / 0.582
18 22 Ivan SILVA SPA Avintia Blusens BQR 316.0 1'46.500 4.401 / 0.050
19 54 Mattia PASINI ITA Speed Master ART 313.6 1'46.503 4.404 / 0.003
20 77 James ELLISON GBR Paul Bird Motorsport ART 312.0 1'46.836 4.737 / 0.333
21 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Came IodaRacing Project Ioda 299.2 1'47.436 5.337 / 0.600





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Hey, you guys still there? Man we sweated it out in FP2. Even did a primary gear change in the session. Then flat out till now. FPC pic next


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This arvo we ran only the hard tire. We r not happy with our setting yet, but its really hard 2 understand where we r on the heap atm- cont


Alex Briggs ‏@Alex__Briggs
-because the soft tires made a big diff in lap time. Looks like CS,DP & US were the only ones 2 stay on hard tires. Time will tell tomorrow
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So I got this 2010 feeling when Lorenzo was cruising and flying...

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Great photo!
http://instagr.am/p/LVrqyKQIAk/

I was watching the super slow mo of Stoner through that corner, not only was he getting his elbow down he had to tuck it into his body to get more lean angle. The guy is a freak of nature.
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WayneG wrote:Great photo!
http://instagr.am/p/LVrqyKQIAk/

I was watching the super slow mo of Stoner through that corner, not only was he getting his elbow down he had to tuck it into his body to get more lean angle. The guy is a freak of nature.
That is a great photo. Remember the old days, when 'using every inch of the track' only referred to the horizontal plane? OK, the raised curb flatters, but bloody hell...

I wonder if the guys who stayed on hard tyres for FP2 were boxing smart, or too smart by half? Looks like Track ambient for the race will be around 26C with showers - so a considerably lower track temp. Could they have been anticipating that a useful setting for a higher temp on hard tyres will translate into a useful setting for the softs for a lower temp?
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Interesting session 3. Some of the guys were slower than the previous session.
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Good QP, but given the forecast, I'm not sure it means all that much. Tyre choice would seem to be likely to make more difference to the results than grid position.. Crutchlow did damn well. Those Yams are a good thing, though Spies's from a replay of one of the FP's (I think FP3??) was loose and squirrely whereas Lorenzo's was totally planted. Spies's pit box just doesn't seem to be getting things right.

Interesting slo-mo of Pedrosa from one of the FPs showed the front chatter kick in and punch the front wheel about six inches out of line in three hops - that can't be fun.
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Were is the lynch mob for Nakagami to be suspended for the move made to Ricky Cardus during QP? ;)
It was a move very similar, even dirtier imo, to Marquezs on Luthi in Qatar.

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Nakagami's wasn't planned, just a moment of stupidity.
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Gar wrote:Nakagami's wasn't planned, just a moment of stupidity.
How can you know that? Still a very stupid move - he knew exactly that Cardus was there and imo it was maybe even worse as this was in practice and not in a race for the win.

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I think both moves were similar in that they showed a lack of consideration for the other rider on the track. But I agree, I'm amazed Nakagami hasn't already got a 3 race ban ;) (remembering the Hopkins/Tamada banning fiasco from some years ago)

For the GP's, am I correct in assuming that the race tomorrow will come down to the track temperature? The Hondas seem quicker on the cooler track (being quickest in the morning practices) but then that situation is reversed in the afternoon. in QP, if you removed Stoner's early lap from the equation (which was done on the soft tyre) then it definitely looked like the Yams were quicker. Finally, it certainly seemed to me that the soft tyre is papering over the cracks with the Honda.

But some of the riders looking at the 'soft' tyre even after QP, maybe they are considering if it is possible to run the race with it tomorrow (the 'soft' tyre at Catalunya being similar construction to a 'medium' at most other tracks?)

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Woah I missed the beginning of the Cardus incident. The German TV commentator said Cardus missed his braking point. But that was not Cardus' fault at all. There is an interview clip with Nakagami too, but unfortunately I can't watch it, because my video pass works for everything but that particular clip. What did he say?

Interesting situation in MotoGP. I think Casey is right. If it will be as hot as today this will be the first (dry) race in a long time that might be decided by tire wear. Listening to the various interviews people are not sure if the options can last the race on competitive pace. But on the other hand we are in Europe and chances are it will rain, again...

Good to see Ben up there. He is the Yamaha rider with the most laps over the last 2 days. Hopefully the data they collected turns out useful tomorrow. A podium would be beyond awesome from my point of view. *crossing fingers*

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Gustav O wrote:
Gar wrote:Nakagami's wasn't planned, just a moment of stupidity.
How can you know that? Still a very stupid move - he knew exactly that Cardus was there and imo it was maybe even worse as this was in practice and not in a race for the win.
What was to be gained? It wasn't a race, it was qualifying.
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Gar wrote:

What was to be gained? It wasn't a race, it was qualifying.
I don´t think Nakagamis move was planned but I don´t think Marquez move was worse. Nakagamis was even more reckless than Marquezs, imo.

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Well, I guess they were both similar moves. Undoubtedly Nakagami's move ended up worse! But, the organisers made a statement when they decided not to punish Marquez with the Luthi incident, so it would be unfair to punish Nakagami now.
Good to see Ben up there. He is the Yamaha rider with the most laps over the last 2 days. Hopefully the data they collected turns out useful tomorrow. A podium would be beyond awesome from my point of view. *crossing fingers*
The problem is that Ben has been up there every race so far, but it's the race that has brought problems. He needs a good start and solid top 6 finish more than anything at this point, and definitely no more poor luck with the bike.

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MiniNinjaMk5 wrote:Well, I guess they were both similar moves. Undoubtedly Nakagami's move ended up worse! But, the organisers made a statement when they decided not to punish Marquez with the Luthi incident, so it would be unfair to punish Nakagami now.
Fair point. I was mostly stirring the pot as there was so much outrage against Marquez..

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