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2012 - Sepang II

Postby Upon1 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:30 am

The 2nd of pre-season testing has begun at Sepang.

At 11am the order is as follows

Stoner 2m2.482
Lorenzo 2m2.942
Pedrosa 2m3.395
Rossi 2m3.574
Spies 2m3.627
Crutchlow
Bautista
Hayden
Bradl
Barbara
Dovi
Edwards 2m8.374

Full times and stuff here
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby WayneG on Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:34 am

Stoner to 2.01.761
Pedrosa to 2.02.05
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Upon1 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:37 am

And they've just put up the 12pm times:

Stoner 2m1.761
Pedrosa 2m2.005
Lorenzo 2m2.236
Spies 2m2.819
Bautista 2m3.169
Rossi 2m3.245
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Zaphod on Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:56 am

As request to keep this topic related to it's desired subject, can we please refrain from turning my next comment into the prepetual motion device that is the Stoner-Rossi debacle.

All I am enquiring about, and seek opinions on is..........

Is it likely that Rossi is repeating pre-season testing on the Yammy ?.........as in so far that he may be foxing .3 to.5 of a second off what the thing can really achieve ?

If you can provide an opinion without resorting to "who could or couldn't ride the ducati"..etc.........I would love to hear from you.

I am drawing this theory based on the fact he seem's to be hovering consistantly 1 sec off the pace, no matter what the time drops to.

Day 3
Pos Rider Team Fastest lap Prev. Gap Lead. Gap Laps
1 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team 1:59.607 - - 21
2 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing 2:00.198 +0.591 +0.591 35
3 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team 2:00.256 +0.058 +0.649 26
4 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing 2:00.495 +0.239 +0.888 16
5 Valentino Rossi Ducati Team 2:00.824 +0.329 +1.217 42
6 Hector Barbera Pramac Racing Team 2:00.929 +0.105 +1.322 40
7 Cal Crutchlow Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2:01.108 +0.179 +1.501 26
8 Andrea Dovizioso Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2:01.257 +0.149 +1.650 40
9 Alvaro Bautista San Carlo Honda Gresini 2:01.384 +0.127 +1.777 34
10 Nicky Hayden Ducati Team 2:01.729 +0.345 +2.122 19
11 Stefan Bradl LCR Honda 2:01.894 +0.165 +2.287 38
12 Karel Abraham Cardion AB Motoracing 2:02.218 +0.324 +2.611 38
13 Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha Factory 2:02.334 +0.116 +2.727 27
14 Franco Battaini Ducati Team 2:03.033 +0.699 +3.426 35
15 Colin Edwards NGM Mobile Forward Racing 2:04.722 +1.689 +5.115 36
16 Ivan Silva Avintia Racing 2:08.225 +3.503 +8.618 41
17 Robertino Pietri Avintia Racing 2:09.640 +1.415 +10.033 16
18 Jordi Torres Avintia Racing 2:10.184 +0.544 +10.577 29

Day 2
Pos Rider Team Fastest lap Prev. Gap Lead. Gap Laps
1 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team 2:00.895 - - 29
2 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing 2:01.052 +0.157 +0.157 37
3 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing 2:01.068 +0.016 +0.173 40
4 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team 2:01.508 +0.440 +0.613 35
5 Cal Crutchlow Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2:01.565 +0.057 +0.670 42
6 Hector Barbera Pramac Racing Team 2:01.788 +0.223 +0.893 50
7 Valentino Rossi Ducati Team 2:01.886 +0.098 +0.991 44
8 Alvaro Bautista San Carlo Honda Gresini 2:01.933 +0.047 +1.038 46
9 Andrea Dovizioso Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2:02.160 +0.227 +1.265 42
10 Nicky Hayden Ducati Team 2:02.354 +0.194 +1.459 41
11 Stefan Bradl LCR Honda 2:02.414 +0.060 +1.519 41
12 Karel Abraham Cardion AB Motoracing 2:02.598 +0.184 +1.703 66
13 Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha Factory 2:02.941 +0.343 +2.046 40
14 Franco Battaini Ducati Team 2:04.311 +1.370 +3.416 38
15 Colin Edwards NGM Mobile Forward Racing 2:05.603 +1.292 +4.708 37
16 Ivan Silva Avintia Racing 2:10.297 +4.694 +9.402 16
17 Jordi Torres Avintia Racing 2:11.893 +1.596 +10.998 2
18 Robertino Pietri Avintia Racing 2:12.546 +0.653 +11.651 5


PS.......Lorenzo is looking good !
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Cam D on Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:12 am

@ 2pm You could never doubt Nick's worth ethic... even with a banged up shoulder he does more laps.
1. Casey Stoner (Honda) 2'01 .761 (rev 8/16)
2. Dani Pedrosa (Honda) 2'02 .005 (rev 12/29)
3. Jorge Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2'02 .436 (rev 14/22)
4. Ben Spies (Yamaha)) 2'0 .819 (rev 12/23)
5. Alvaro Baustista (Honda) 2'02 .959 (rev 15/24)
6. Nicky Hayden (Ducati) 2'03 .132 (rev 21/30)
7. Cal Crutchlow (Yamaha) 2'03 .213 (rev 16/27)
8. Valentino Rossi (Ducati) 2'03 .245 (rev 22/25)
9. Hector Barbera (Ducati) 2'03 .612 (rev 11/24)
10. Stefan Bradl (Honda) 2'03 .820 (rev 16/24)
11. Andrea Dovizioso (Yamaha) 2'03 .830 (rev 12/14)
12. Franco Battaini (Ducati) 2'05 .563 (rev 10/11)
13. Colin Edwards (Suter-BMW) 2'05 .686 (rev 15/15)
14. Ivan Silva (BQR-Kawasaki) 2'08 .479 (rev 18/19)
15. Yonny Hernandez (BQR-Kawasaki) 2'08 .767 (8/16)
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Tourn46 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:35 am

Apparently very wet in Sepang... Rossi was the only rider out in the rain for a large period of time according to Twitter.

Zaph... I don't think Rossi will be foxing anything, I am sure come race day he'll find a few tenths compared to what he is doing now - I'm sure most of the riders at the test could though. I don't really think Ducati are in the position to be messing about with such a undeveloped piece of kit. They need to know what works, what doesn't, etc... to do that he needs to ride the bugger properly.

According to the MotoGP twitter, the Ducati's have been focussing on the electronics, so I am not sure whether or not that has anything to do with dropping to 8/10 behind Jorge compared to the 5/10 we saw in Sepang I... unless of course their updated software package is worse!
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Zaphod on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:13 am

I am of the same mind, re everybody else dropping their times come race time.

I don't mean to imply that he will come out and kick proverbial, more that I am wondering if he is putting around ( don't take that literaly......) geting the thing into the ball park, base set-up wise, knowing that he can/could quite easily ( again, not literaly) step it up a whole lot further.

If memory serves, that was the approach with the Yammy first season in.........testing didn't promise much on the numbers generated, and then.........well........


Once again, not implying apples are oranges.....just that he seems to be conspicuously able to hold that one second mark.Last season, if another was dropping times, it was irrelevant for the "Stuck-in-a-rut" Ducati.

I am aware Danberto PedroPuig is doing the same ( one second margin), however ( for arguments sake) he is on the same bit of kit as Stoner, and not closing that one second bracket.

In all fairness, the same logic I am applying to Valentino Liberace could quite easily apply to the duality that is PedroPuig.

Not waving a flag for anyone.........just wondering out aloud.


.........I still think Lorenzo looks good, going by numbers ( whatever testing numbers are worth !) for this season.

Looks like a promising season !
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Albert on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:47 am

Zaphod wrote:Is it likely that Rossi is repeating pre-season testing on the Yammy ?.........as in so far that he may be foxing .3 to.5 of a second off what the thing can really achieve ?

If you can provide an opinion without resorting to "who could or couldn't ride the ducati"..etc.........I would love to hear from you.

I am drawing this theory based on the fact he seem's to be hovering consistantly 1 sec off the pace, no matter what the time drops to.


At this precise moment the answer to your question is a simple one Zaphod!

NO!
(my own opinion only I hasten to add!)

From everything I'm hearing Rossi is intending to spend the majority of this test working on the electronics.

I don't think he can afford to "sandbag" !
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby TwoStroke Institute on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:03 pm

Do we have any wet times to compare to? Good result for Bautista
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Zaphod on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:18 pm

Albert wrote:From everything I'm hearing Rossi is intending to spend the majority of this test working on the electronics.
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.......A fair comment to say they would seem to be somewhat happy with the frame then, and now working on other areas from which to garner some speed.


Sounds like Yammy.2 to me ! :lol: ;) ( just shit-stirring ....with the last bit anyway...)

+1 on the Hayden comment........workhorse. His times also allude to a much improved Ducati.


I thought the same of Bautista, but held back from making the comment for fear of a deluge of nay-saying and "he should be going better".

Good on the young lad !.......... he's gotta do better on that than the Suzuki..........right ? :?

Another to almost pass un-noticed is Bradl. Bloody good effort, all things considered !
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby ducati1098s on Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:02 pm

What about the recent removal of the tibial rod from Rossi's leg? I thought the timing was odd to say the least . Im no doctor but presumably the void left by the rod needs to fill so there will be a period when the bone is weaker.

Anyway Im not saying that Rossi is not pushing because Im sure he has to in order to give meaningful feedback but I suspect he is not going 10/10 either.

According to MattBirt twitter Ducati have been trying out different tanks today so I think that they have not really been chasing a time at all. BUT........

Am I concerned for Ducati though? Yes- Sepang is just about Rossi's best track and in former years he was top of the timesheets on most occasions
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby lebowski on Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:05 pm

I think Rossi and Ducati are in trouble. I fail to see any similarity between this and his switch to Yamaha. After all this is his SECOND year at Ducati, albeit with a change of formula. Also, from memory, he was pretty impressive in the final tests on the Yam before the famous win in the first race.

As to the tibial rod, the thought of it being removed and the size when you see it is alarming. I suspect the reality though (from my albeit limited experience) is that the original injury is what is really incapacitating and the removal of a rod/pin is something the body takes in its stride.

Hopefully Ducati improve consistently over the season so that Rossi and Hayden can compete at the front where they belong. Anything more is wiswhful thinking in my view.
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Faster1 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:05 pm

lebowski wrote:I think Rossi and Ducati are in trouble. I fail to see any similarity between this and his switch to Yamaha. After all this is his SECOND year at Ducati, albeit with a change of formula. Also, from memory, he was pretty impressive in the final tests on the Yam before the famous win in the first race.

As to the tibial rod, the thought of it being removed and the size when you see it is alarming. I suspect the reality though (from my albeit limited experience) is that the original injury is what is really incapacitating and the removal of a rod/pin is something the body takes in its stride.

Hopefully Ducati improve consistently over the season so that Rossi and Hayden can compete at the front where they belong. Anything more is wishful thinking in my view.


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I'll never think that any rider would be sand-bagging at this point. It's getting too close to go -time. So far, not much has changed since/from last year, which doesn't bode well for close racing in 2012. Maybe they'll find something to ban on the Honda to slow it down :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Tourn46 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:30 pm

Taken from MotoGP.com

Valentino Rossi (Ducati Team) 8th, 2’03.245 (39 laps):
"Paradoxically, we actually started too early this morning! It would’ve been better to start at 11 like the others, because before that the asphalt was quite dirty, and by the time the conditions started to improve, the tyre already had about fifteen laps on it. We decided to save the second tyre for the afternoon, but it started raining after lunch. As a result, we didn’t get much done today. We didn’t even start working with the new software that we have available for this test. On the plus side, we were able to confirm that the feeling in the wet is still pretty good with the GP12. Weather permitting, and with a couple more tyres at our disposal, I think that tomorrow we’ll be able to work a little more comprehensively and understand things a bit more."


Well, it sounds like they went out at the wrong time and the rain scuppered their plans. Of course, I don't think it scuppered their plans by 1.4 seconds, but I still remain hopeful!
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby RatsMC on Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:27 pm

A little adrenaline for an otherwise slow start to this round of testing:

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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby eddahenry on Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:21 pm

these guys are crazy
i couldnt ever go that fast and he is on his sighting lap
punching down the main straight with 200plus horses ,,,,mmmm i might just adjust the clutch .
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby Faster1 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:28 pm

,,blurring out the tach :evil:
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby TwoStroke Institute on Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:17 am

Note how fast that Honda shifts gear.
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby RatsMC on Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:27 am

TwoStroke Institute wrote:Note how fast that Honda shifts gear.



Yeah. The launch from pit lane where he is short-shifting is a little insane. the shifts are so fast it is hard for my head to even track what gear he's in.
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby DJH on Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:11 am

Oh well, I guess the new onboard feature with Videopass will give Rossi fans a great view of half the grid and probably Nicky Hayden and Hector Barbera too! Best seats in the house!

In other news - the news and videos do little to satisfy my NEED for round one to be here already. But that 'little' is welcome none the less.

*In all seriousness though, from the highlights I saw over at MotoGP.com, Rossi looks a bit shakey on the GP12.. definitely not as 'attacking' as I expected him to be.

Hopefully they push closer towards the front over the next couple of days.. but I'm definitely not holding my breath.
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby sir_nj on Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:16 am

don't know why I hadn't really thought of this before now but I suspect Spies main competition for his seat in 2013 is going to come from Bautista. Maybe Jarvis already knew that too but to be politically correct he can't start publicly naming riders from other brands as potential replacements in order to make sure your own rider gets the message .

Cannot for the life of me think why Rossi would even try sandbagging at this stage and I think he is going to get it a lot closer to the pointy end this year.

Hoping the two injured in the off season (Hayden and Dovi) get up to full fitness fairly soon.
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby eddahenry on Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:18 am

Now I have watched that video again
I'm wondering what Casey is adjusting it seems to be mounted to the side of the switch box that has the pitlane rev limiter switch
Dosnt seem to be attached to the cluch leaver
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby sir_nj on Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:27 am

eddahenry wrote:Now I have watched that video again
I'm wondering what Casey is adjusting it seems to be mounted to the side of the switch box that has the pitlane rev limiter switch
Dosnt seem to be attached to the cluch leaver



a bit unerving isn't it. I wonder though if he's not adjusting but simply using the clutch? Wider angle would have shown that but still a great shot none the less.
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby alrova on Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:28 am

eddahenry wrote:Now I have watched that video again
I'm wondering what Casey is adjusting it seems to be mounted to the side of the switch box that has the pitlane rev limiter switch
Dosnt seem to be attached to the cluch leaver

My guess either front break or rear break play, depends on rider
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Re: 2012 - Sepang II

Postby sir_nj on Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:33 am

alrova wrote:
eddahenry wrote:Now I have watched that video again
I'm wondering what Casey is adjusting it seems to be mounted to the side of the switch box that has the pitlane rev limiter switch
Dosnt seem to be attached to the cluch leaver


My guess either front break or rear break play, depends on rider


we are talking left hand here, aren't we?
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