2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

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2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Fingernails on Mon May 13, 2019 5:45 pm

T'was a win for Marc last year. Petrux did well in 2nd, and Rossi was 3rd. Not sure what to predict this year apart from the infinitely boring prediction of a Marc win.
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Mikesbytes on Tue May 14, 2019 7:01 am

Quartararo's home GP and he would be fired up after the last round. Will he go into "Win it or Bin it" mode? or more precisely "Podium it or Bin it"

Zarco got 2nd in 2017, ie his first year in MotoGP so French + Yamaha Satellite + First year could mean a podium for Quartararo :D
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby hdot on Tue May 14, 2019 9:05 pm

As with every weekend I'm thinking Marquez FTW with about 13 guys eligible for the podium
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby CLX on Wed May 15, 2019 11:24 pm

Silly question, what exactly made the factory Yamahas so fast there a few years ago that has now vanished?

When we still thought of Honda vs Yamaha tracks, Le Mans was a big time Yamaha track. And they dominated as late as 2017.

What happened?

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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Wolfman on Thu May 16, 2019 12:34 am

I think, now, Honda, Ducati and Suzuki are more complete, faster and easier than the previous years. Thats why, Yamaha look that they dont dominate no more, on a "Yamaha track".
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby kenup283 on Thu May 16, 2019 7:23 am

The track got resurfaced in 2017 and while this helped yamaha it also helped others too and as the pace got quicker in 2018 and the track temp hotter the Yamaha burned up their tires sooner. In 2017 the pace was steady from start to finish, within half to one second end to end without tire drop. In 2018 the top yamaha lost a second per lap with 5 laps to go wearas the winner did not.

Looking back at results sheets, the Track temp was 45C last year, 10deg higher than year before ,and significnagtly higher than the air temp compared to years past. So perhaps the fresh black Tarmac ,although gripper and helping yamha to secure pole the last three years running, it may be running a bit hotter and contributing to tire degradation woes that have plagued them.

This track has a very fast corner entry to turn one and flows for first half of lap. This suits yamaha and will be detriment to those who can't find confidence and stabilty on high speed corner entry. So I'm opptimistic for yamaha but mainly becuse so far this year we have not seen the tire drop from the michlines that we have seen in years past. A sign they have managed to improve the compound durability. This will bring things back Yamahas way in general and could show here.

Going back since 2016 lookin at first four races of year so far for at drop in pace over race distance of top runners shows in 16'/17' you'd see ~1.5" to 2 sec drop in pace over race distance, than in 18' it improved to one second, and then this year which is a remarkable to half to one a second. The notable exeption being Qatar which was within a second or less all years since 2016, the night race likely keeping the michilins out of their danger zone on temperature.

So yamaha can qualify good but need to manage the tire wear. If the Tarmac is not in the 40's or it turns out these early signs pointing to Michelin figuring out a more durable tire compound are real, then we should see a good race from them. What will be intresting is the back half of the track, with stop and go hairpins and chicanes, how much Marquez can make up on them.
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby hdot on Fri May 17, 2019 2:23 am

Even Le Mans' hairpins tend to be 2nd gear turns at the worst, and the layout is generally pretty flowing. I think that is going to serve Suzuki more than Yamaha honestly, but it remains to be seen how well Suzuki will qualify.
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby CLX on Fri May 17, 2019 2:53 pm

Thanks kenup.

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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby CLX on Fri May 17, 2019 3:23 pm

Also, don't look now, but Lorenzo had his best FP2 yet.

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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby bikermike on Fri May 17, 2019 4:39 pm

had just popped on to say the same thing

https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/920317/1/french-motogp-free-practice-2-results

Here's hoping for a good result for Jorge.
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Mikesbytes on Sat May 18, 2019 7:02 am

All the riders except Miller were faster in FP2 than FP1 and Miller is rounding out the top 10. What's the weather expected to be for Saturday?

In regards to the locals Quatararo going great. He was only 0.2 quicker in FP2 than FP1 but the FP1 time was great anyway. Of course I don't know what tyre (etc) strategy they are using. Zarco did quite well in FP1 but his FP2 time being only 0.2 quicker has resulted in him slipping down the timing sheets.

Wooden spoon award is still going to Syahrin a whopping 3.5 seconds off pole, though he made some big improvements in FP2. There use to be a time when we talked about Ducati victims, a time when one rider could ride well on the bike and the rest were at the back of the pack. It's looking like Syahrin is falling into this category

Go Lorenzo 8-)
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Fingernails on Sat May 18, 2019 11:49 am

For a second there I thought that Zarco might be going straight to Q1 based on his FP3 result. 7th for Pol is still a good result for KTM. Aleix is probably the most impressive result, to me, at the moment. How often have Aprilia gone straight to Q1? Says he being too lazy to look it up himself and trying to rely on other people's superior memories and/or actually doing the legwork.
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby CLX on Sat May 18, 2019 6:02 pm

Weird qualifying. It might spell an easy win for Marquez if the Ducs get in each others way tomorrow.

I would not mind a bonkers wet race.

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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Fingernails on Sat May 18, 2019 8:36 pm

The weather prediction for tomorrow is: possibly some showers in the afternoon, so it could be a fairly dry race. If damp, then perhaps it's going to be who can stay on the bike rather than who will be the fastest.

In both MotoGP and Moto2 it seems that quite a few of those far up had offs or excursions into the gravel. Navarro is looking good in Moto2, which is good for the Speed Up team. But, getting a fast lap and then falling/going off can work in qualifying. It won't in a race.

It would be nice if McPhee can do something with his pole in Moto3. Too many times he's looking strong but falls back at the end.
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Vmax666 on Sat May 18, 2019 10:28 pm

One of the things I find hard to understand is why the satellite yamahas always seem to qualify better on last years bike than the factory riders did on the same bike last year
Is it because quateraro has no previous experience so just rides it as there are no upgrades to try anyway
Zarco performance seemed to fall after France last year so it will be interesting what happens to the satellite yamahas this year after France ( although morbidelli is on a 2019 spec bike so I would assume he gets some updates)
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby herbs on Sat May 18, 2019 11:49 pm

Fabio is on a 2019 Yamaha as well.
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Mikesbytes on Sun May 19, 2019 1:27 am

Qualifying was a real lottery. Weather conditions will play its part in the race for sure, apart from Marquez who knows.

Yeh both of the Petronas riders are on 19 bikes with Quartararo down 500rpm. While Yamaha have changed their policy in giving current bikes to the Satellite team, whether that means they get updated parts we shall see
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Fingernails on Sun May 19, 2019 9:59 am

Discussion of Yamaha reminds me that last year KTM said that both of their teams would be on full factory spec, and who would get updates first would depend on results. Given TECH3's experience, I thought that they might have a chance of beating the top team. However, possibly due to Olivera being a rookie and Syahrin not moving forward in his second year, they aren't.
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Mikesbytes on Sun May 19, 2019 10:37 am

Suppose it also depends on how much $ Tech 3 has to run the team

Warmup was cold and dry and hence quite a different result to previous sessions, in particular qualifying. Regardless of what the weather conditions I'm expecting to see a lot of overtaking in the early laps
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Vmax666 on Sun May 19, 2019 12:16 pm

Quatararo cant be on a 2019
If you look at his front end it does not even have carbon forks
Morbidelli has got carbon forks so I’d say they are definitely on different models
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby warthog1 on Sun May 19, 2019 1:29 pm

Morbidell has more revs I believe and better spec forks.
David mentioned the forks in one of his pieces on the last round.


Bit of info here too.
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ ... a/4333664/
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby hdot on Sun May 19, 2019 2:12 pm

Miller is on it but man his riding style is like a gorilla fucking a squirrel
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby CLX on Sun May 19, 2019 3:35 pm

Hahaha

Marquez is in the zone. Hard to beat him.

I want to see what it looks like when Quartararo has a boring clean weekend.

Rossi seemingly unfazed by a more chaotic weekend. But the R1 did not have much else today.

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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Ros on Sun May 19, 2019 6:25 pm

hdot wrote:Miller is on it but man his riding style is like a gorilla fucking a squirrel
Man, You really blew me away with this one
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Re: 2019 R5 - 19th May - Shark Helmets Grand Prix de France

Postby Fingernails on Sun May 19, 2019 6:54 pm

Marquez just seemed to have the measure of the other riders this weekend. And, that sentence works in both MotoGP and Moto2. In MotoGP, I can't see anyone getting anywhere near Marquez in the championship in MotoGP. Dovi is close in points, partially due to having no DNFs while Marquez has one. But, unless Marc falls off quite a high number of times, I think it'll be hard for Dovi to not just slowly lose ground. Maybe.

In Moto2: Good to see the Speed Up, and Navarro, doing well. Without having robustly checked, I'm pretty sure that Navarro has scored more points in the last three races than any other rider. I suspect that Baldassarri will be hard to beat if he starts staying on the bike more.

McPhee finally comes good at the end of the race. And, that was his first top 10 race result this year. There was some excellent racing during the race, with Suzuki being quite brave. Too brave, in the final analysis, but there were some quite aggressive moves.

In Moto3, I found the spectacle of that bike bouncing through the field quite scary. That could have been really, really, nasty.
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