Marc Marquez Has Second Surgery To Fit New Plate To Broken Arm

Marc Marquez has been forced to undergo a second operation on the arm he broke at Jerez during the first race of the restarted 2020 MotoGP season. During a medical examination, the titanium plate holding the Repsol Honda rider's right humerus together was found to have bent due to stress placed on it. A second operation was needed to remove the bent plate and replace it with a new one.

Marquez will now spend the 48 hours after the operation in hospital, after which he will be evaluated as to whether he will be able to take part in this weekend's Czech round of MotoGP at Brno. Given what just happened at Jerez, and the fact that he has now missed two races, the chances of him actually racing in Brno are zero.

Given this setback, it appears as if Marquez' title defense has fallen at the first hurdle. Entering Brno 50 points down to Fabio Quartararo, with a bunch of tracks coming up where he is strong and the Yamahas could suffer, there was at least a mathematical chance of him still competing for the title. If he misses Brno, and then, as seems extremely likely, he skips the first race in Austria, and possibly the second, then he will be too far behind to have a shot at the championship.

Though the official statement by Dr Mir of the Dexeus Institut insists that Marc Marquez followed medical advice and the feeling in his body during recovery, it was clear that the reigning champion was pushing the limits of his body's ability to heal. The fact that he said he felt something change in his arm during FP4 at the second race in Jerez, when he tried to ride, was a sign of how hard he was pushing himself. But the fact that the bend to the plate was not discovered when he was examined after that race weekend suggests it was still straight at that point.

Since then, Marquez has been hard at work preparing for the triple header at Brno and the Red Bull Ring. Most likely, he was pushing himself too hard in training, and the accumulated stress of that training is what caused the plate to bend.

How long HRC can rein Marquez in remains to be seen. They tried and failed in the brief period between the first race in Jerez and the second, Marquez insisting he be allowed to try to ride. Though he made the right decision to stop when it became apparent he could not ride, it is questionable whether trying to ride was the right decision. HRC was not in a position to deny him, then, however. Perhaps this setback will have strengthened their hand.

The press release from Honda appears below:


Marc Marquez undergoes second surgery

Marc Marquez underwent a second operation today, Monday August 3, after the titanium plate used to fix his right humerus was found to have suffered damage due to stress accumulation. Dr Xavier Mir and his team at the Hospital Universitari Dexeus successfully replaced the titanium plate and Marc Marquez will now stay in hospital for 48 hours before being discharged.

Dr. Xavier Mir
Hospital Universitari Dexeus

“Marc Marquez underwent surgery 13 days ago and today he returned to the operating room. The first operation was successful, what was not expected was that the plate was insufficient. An accumulation of stress in the operated area has caused the plate to suffer some damage, so today the titanium plate has been removed and replaced by a new fixation. The rider has not felt pain during this period. He has always followed the medical advice given and the feeling from his body. Unfortunately, an over stress has caused this issue. Now we have to wait 48 hours to understand the recovery time.”

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Apologies for being a wet blanket but I wish someone would get through to him that it really, really isn't worth it. Write off the year, heal well, do a few races towards the end and come back 100% next year. Breaking bones by crashing is part and parcel of danger sports and I'd guess most of us wouldn't or don't regret that too much. You can't participate without taking that risk. But giving yourself a long term disability through excessive impatience, now that's something the older man may properly regret.

"Overstressed" titanium plate "took damage" just from his exertion and riding.

Interestingly, he seems to have gotten away with it. Again. Clean break to middle of an easy bone to fix. No nerve damage. No reported shoulder issue.

Rins is our concern now, eh? Marc's dice rolls amaze. I have a bet that he doesn't finish top 5 this coming weekend, and he may have me paying out. Wishing him well healing up. Just wishing even more for Rins.

The next two tracks are really interesting. What are temps forecast this weekend?

After all the little snide remarks about social media granting millions medical degrees, this should serve as a reminder that even the layperson can apply some basic common sense. Something that seems to have shot over the heads of the experts.

If the Brno GP medical team have any sense they will deny Marc outright, if Honda have any sense they will put their foot down and tell Puig that Marc is not riding this weekend. If anyone lets him get on a GP bike this is surely falling into the grounds of reckless endangerment.

Thank you JNH for writing pretty much word-for-word the (funnies!) comment I was about to write last week (my rule, often but unfortunately not alway obeyed, is to wait until the next day, with no ipa in my system).

I am also one of the millions of idiots who, despite a complete absence of formal medical training, thought that it might not have been the smartest decision to ride. 

 

The point about Marquez being passed fit to ride is the assessment of whether he is a danger to other riders while on the bike. The short-, medium-, and long-term consequences to Marc Marquez' health are not taken into consideration. That is a risk for Marquez himself to assess, and live with the consequences.

Nobody - probably not even Marc Marquez - thought it was a smart decision to ride. That didn't stop him from trying, of course. But then again, chasing 300hp machines around a race track just to prove that you can go do it faster than anyone else isn't a particularlly smart life decision. Doesn't stop people from doing it.

To me that highlights an organisational weakness within Moto GP. Over the fence in Formula 1 they have a permanent medical team, currently led by Dr Ian Roberts, who has the final say on who does and doesn't drive. The F1 medical team answer to the FIA and the FOM. In Moto GP the medical team appear to be employed by the promoter. It's a different team most weekends, answering to the people who paid millions to put on a show, they aren't going to rock the boat lest the promoter find somebody else next year. Dorna, the FIM and the teams won't countermand the medics because it raises the specter of liability. Promoter X paid to have 93, 46, 04 etc on track, Dr Dave says 93's fine, so why isn't he on track? Who's making up the shortfall at the gate this year?

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The idea that Marquez or any other rider should be allowed to assess themselves shows the weakness at play. They're motorbike racers, they fear losing more than they fear death. Dorna needs to to put it's foot down and install a person who has overall responsibility and the final say. It will hurt in the short term but riders recovering better and having longer careers will benefit them.

False dichotomies abund in this narrative types, and they do not reflect reality.
Riding fast bikes is done as a calculated risk, not as a form of madness (Ask Crafar: he teaches to size that risk up properly.).
I admire the exquisitely calculated risk taking, not the lunatic barging into a corner without a clue as to what is going on.

Foregoing sound medical advice, to feed one own's monster, no matter how big that may be, no matter how entitled and messiahnic it may feel, is simply looking for trouble one's sure to find.
There's a point where the genius gives way to the madness, the rightful hunger to the boundless gluttony, the sporting ethics to the manic egos, the obvious needs of biology (even without a twitter degree, one can read, and perchance understand, from proper sources. It's 2020.) to the mythical, infallible creatures mere humans can't begin to comprehend.

Well, this story was a sore reminder of what happens when those thresholds are passed without regard: for one's self, for the safety of others, for the prolonged well being of the most egg-laying chicken of the past decade.

Back-pedalling on MM's insatiable drive (just made godly a few days ago. and woe to anyone suggesting anything else!) making it sound as if he had no choice is clearly quite wide of the mark.
He should have been better counselled (like Dovizioso three weeks before the first race) by those around him, alas, he was encouraged, or at the very least enabled (ofc, it has worked this far, right?).
This, after Dr. Mir made it clear he couldn't use the intramidullar rod because of fear of damaging the already suffering shoulder.
A cake they cooked by themselves over many years, this just the latest cherry on top: a cake that they now have to swallow whole, no matter how bitter, and will have to do so away from the dazzling lights and heaps of cheap, pedantic, platitudinal praise.

 

MM tried, with the consent of everyone, to give it a go. He was about 1 second off the pace. He couldn't make it work safely. He stopped and sat out the race. I see absolutley no problem with any of it. MM can make his own life decisions and I'd say he's doing better at that than anyone you can name. The plate bent; he has a new plate. What's the big deal?

Evidently they gave him titanium meant for an inline four rider. He was passed as fit to ride the Yamaha or Suzuki.

To be able to withstand not just the physical demands of riding a V4, but also the repeated front end tucks and ground bounce of the 2019/2020 Honda, a large spar of trellis steel is being applied to the upper arm.

HRC has also placed a new "ego-to-riskductor" sensor on the arm chassis that can provide anti-crash between his testicles, abdomen, brain and then right hand. He can no longer so much as open a fridge door without Honda management modulation.

Gigi has been trying to reverse engineer the sensor in order to be placed in inverse fashion on AD04. "We would like to see him overcooking corners and throwing the bike in mercilessly, the ego-to-riskductor sensor allows us to adjust engine braking on the fly as tires and Dovisioso's willingness go off."

If only he was on an Aprilia he would have had no problem. That engine couldn't pull screws outta bone at this point 

When I read that comment about 'our medical expertise'.. it was an eye roller for sure and very insulting by the author that he perhaps possessed far more common sense than the naive fans... 

I guess not!

On Sunday :

"Social Media companies granted everyone degrees in orthopedic surgery, everyone using their new-found expertise in sports-related trauma to opine on the rights and wrongs of the case."

Note the "everyone". Social media turned everyone, on all sides of the argument, pro and anti, into experts. The only thing I claimed formmyself is ignorance. It is the one thing I am sure of. 

And I am far less of an expert than you, David. My point, and perhaps of others who comment, is why even have a doctor certify the rider as fit, as able to handle the bike, as not a danger to others. Just ask the rider if he wants to give it a try and leave it at that. The current procedure is silly, a process without a usefull or meaningful outcome.

Cue Monty Pyton: "Tis but a scratch."

The fact is that racing motorcycles is already very dangerous even when every rider on the starting grid is 100% healthy and fit. And racing motorcycles is scary. Have you listened to episode 149 of the paddock pass podcast? Peter Bom explains very clearly what takes place in the mind (including emotions) of a motorcycle racer. When intense emotions are pulsing through one's being it can be hard to understand everything that is taking place in the moment. The machine, the tires, the conditions of the track and of one's own body - it's all happening very fast. Some guys have difficulty explaining what's going on when they return to the pits, and they don't even have any health problems.

To say that those of us sitting on the couch can tell better than a physician whether a rider is fit to ride (not a danger to others) is presumptuous. The unknown is that an injured rider that is passed as fit, that has passed a physical test that assures the CMO that he or she is not a danger to others, may become unfit at any moment during the race weekend. And no physician can be expected to know if or when that could happen. Each injury and rider are unique. So the rider is left to determine if he or she becomes unable to operate a racing machine at any time during the race weekend. That can require a high degree of self-awareness in the heat of the moment. Especially when other factors are at play such as job security, etc. So what's the new requirement? Continuous checks by the CMO during sessions?

Riders are definitely not psychologically fit to ride a 300 hp motorcycle in anger if they want to ride that motorcycle; it is insane to want to do what they do. So if they want to ride they should not be allowed to ride. However, if they do not want to ride because of the danger then they are psychologically fit to ride. But if they then agree to ride they are not fit to ride as wanting that much danger is insane. So the only racers fit to race are those who won't do it. See? Simple

What is our greatest fear? Death. What do we cherish above all else? Self-preservation. Because of this we define those that put their bodies at risk as insane. This is because there is a firm belief that we are these bodies and we belong to time. It seems that motogp racers are courting death. That they are willingly putting themselves in extremely dangerous situations. We don't quite understand the payoff, and because of this lack of understanding we decide that they are absolutely nuts.

Death can be so hard on the living, the loss seems so final. And from our perspective this is true. Our disadvantage is that we only understand one side of this mysterious equation. For all we know death might be a blessing. Not saying I promote suicide, only that I don't know something I have not experienced or if it even truly exists. So how can we be afraid of something we have not experienced? Not possible. It's the not knowing or understanding that is the fear.

It's the fear that motivates us in life. Because we are negatively oriented species we run from our fears inspired by our dreams. To me, that sounds insane. Viewed from afar, the human mind itself is a bit nuts. So who are we to say racing a 300hp motorcycle for a living is bonkers? It has been said that life is never more real than when you believe you are about to die. Maybe by courting death, by putting their bodies in extremely dangerous situations, by facing humanity's greatest lack of understanding, these guys experience something unique and special. Living life to the fullest. That does not sound crazy to me.

Many people do not realize their dreams. Athletes at the highest levels are doing that. Maybe it is the inspiration of the dreams that is the payoff for these guys. And maybe from their perspective what they are doing is completely sane. Who are we to judge what is sane or crazy for someone else? We are all a bit nuts by believing in the heavy burden that our existence is finite when we do not absolutely know if it is true.

Maybe a better word would be concluding. Drawing a conclusion. The primary definition of "to judge" is to form an opinion or draw a conclusion although the word judging can carry the connotation of determining right and wrong. Never read Catch-22. Only saw the movie.

I made a feeble attempt at humor. I'm making no conclusions about anyone. I have no standing to judge anyone. I used to ride the fastest motorcycles (1986 GSXR 1100 was amazing) made as fast as they would go on public roads for 10-15,000 miles per season up in Maine. Drunk. Stoned. Maybe more. I am no one to say 'don't do something crazy', I love doing crazy shit and at 63 I still do. I can hold my own on a mt bike with guys in their 20's so I'm still courting those moments of transcendence when I am close to the edge.

I find nothing at all wrong with the way MM and everyone involved handled the situation with his attempts to race. The only surprising thing to me was that he gave up at all. I would've imagined the arm would've had to snap for him to quit. And I would've applauded that effort, too.

I found Catch-22 kind of a tough read but worth it in the end. There was a recent TV series that was excellent.

That's one of the drawbacks of virtual interaction as opposed to face-to-face contact. One better understands another's meaning. Or maybe I'm just a bit daft. My first bike was an '86 Kawasaki GPZ900 like in the Top Gun movie. Didn't realize that bit of trivia until a few years ago (even though some debate whether the bike was a 750 or 900, I'm in the 900 camp). My second bike was an '88 ZX-10. Was at a garage sale and started leafing through a Guiness Book of World Records for 1988 and stumbled across the record for fastest production bike for that year and there was my bike. It wasn't that I was looking for these particular bikes, it's just that they were the ones that life offered up, the ones that were available when I was searching. I love big, fast Kawasakis. I lived in SW Colorado for almost 30 years and three mountain passes were just due north. Tried to express some form of restraint watching out for cops, but somewhere along the way the rides began to resemble a video game. Passed countless trundling RVs at serious speed. 

I figure since birds of a feather flock together and probably admire other birds that some of the members of this forum know personally the pain and recuperation of reinjuring a recent injury. Thus the cringing feeling when Marquez got back on the bike only 4 days after surgery. I wasn't convinced he wouldn't try the day after watching him take flight at turn 3 in Jerez. And not surprised his arm is more messed up now. What would a serious headshake have done to his funny bone?

Actually, I confused Catch-22 with One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Never was able to get through the Catch-22 movie. In his earlier years, Alan Arkin just yelled too much for my tastes. It may sound like I don't, but I actually do read books, too.

Well just for clarification, while my comment was somewhat rhetorical there was some seriousness behind it. While you two seem to have gone the way of one must be 'insane' to even partake in such dangerous endevours, that's not where I was coming from at all.

Rather this, mental distraction or depression. Who checks to see if rider 'x' just had a big blowout with their spouse before a race or lost a loved one, etc. etc. If we can take their word that they are ok to ride mentally, then why not also phsyically is the point I was trying to bring up as I think regarding "safely competing in close quarters with others" it bears just as much weight. Thoughts?

I realize these racers are a cut above in so many aspects but we all still have the same basic endochrine system do we not? There have been times that I have been riding along, 70+ mph, after having an emotionally traumatic experience (could be the same day or even weeks previous) where 10 miles or so have passed by and I didn't notice any of it because of my headspace... and that is a very scary & sobering experience.
 

I recall Petrucci stating that "racing is subconscious." I vaguely recall that Petrucci was a test rider for Ducati and put in many laps at Mugello. So, it is not a coincidence that his one motogp race win came at a track that he could lap in his sleep (which is one of the functions of the brain - to repeat stuff neurologically as we are sleeping that we did while we were awake). Chaz Davies in an interview with crash talked about "being in the flow" or "a rhythm." Davies said one purpose of all the practice sessions was to create a rhythm where everything became one. All acceleration points, braking points, turn in points and shifting became one. The practice sessions were a repetitive ritual that created this one flow so that the rider no longer had to think about any of that stuff during the race. It all becomes automatic and instinctual (subconscious). Davies said that he had to be in the flow in order to win races.

The autopilot experience you speak of is not uncommon. Many are lost in thought, identified with thought and identified as the thinker of thoughts. The conscious awareness is focussed on something other than the now. It's also called dreaming or even daydreaming. That's when the subconscious takes over and drives the car. "Waking up" is when one snaps back to the present moment and realizes that they don't remember the last 5 miles travelled. This is a typical stoner experience. Or just one that has an active imagination. Or when one experiences repetitive energy of the past that activates the dreaming mind. One thing for sure is that the subconscious mind that is piloting the vehicle is trouble free. It's the identity of the persona that has a problem with the autopilot business. Because the illusion of control has been pierced and that causes the person or ego self to freak out a bit. 

The extreme environment of racing does not allow for anything else to exist. A rider' minds is forced into the now through intense focus and this may be one of the payoffs of racing. When fully in the now there is no space for the bullshit energy of the past or dreaming of the future. Anthony West said that when the lights went out he felt free. It is freedom from our personal identity that is the greatest freedom of all. Being fully immersed in the now gives one that freedom. True identity is unbound.

Where one shines the light of consciousness causes a movement of energy. One way to deal with pain from an injury is to not pay attention to it. Finding somewhere else to direct the attention is one way to not feel the pain. What better way to distract oneself from an injury than focussing on a life or death situation such as racing a motorcycle? The same can be said for thoughts. Racing motorcycles can silence the mind because the focus of attention is on the life or death task at hand. The mind can be very clear during extreme sports. There may be thinking, but no thinker. All the ego content disappears.

My take? It's the identity that is crazy. And racing motorcycles makes someone sane. It's the ego content that constantly fears for its existence, that believes it is the body. The ego content is always coming up with the opposite because it is always trying to sustain its existence. Don't worry about the autopilot. Ask yourself how to observe the mind (thought).

 

Has no one here read or heard of or know about Catch-22? It's satire. I was being satirical. I thought by putting the title of a classic novel in the header it would have been obvious. Sorry for wadding everyone's panties into such a bunch.

My panties are fine Brian. :) I wanted clarification for other possible readers and because it's a subject that is rarely discussed in motorsports. 

I must admit that I'm still wondering just how much of Zarco's 2019 performance was down to the bike, simple impatience or rather the destruction of the long time relationship with his former best friend and mentor. 

 

I don't even wear panties. I like to be loose and free. The word about Marcel Schrotter is that he doesn't even tell anyone when he is hurt. He keeps it a secret. Nicky Hayden did the same thing after his shoulder injury in Estoril 2006. He did not want anyone to know-especially his competitor for the title because he felt Rossi might get a mental advantage. He had surgery as soon as the season was over. I heard that John Hopkins highsided out of the 2005 German GP because he could not feel his injured foot from the pain medication and accidentally downshifted the transmission going into a turn. Later in his career he had problems with his right wrist. It wouldn't bend, so he operated the throttle by moving his flat hand back and forth over the top of the throttle. He tried to keep it a secret. How to discipline athletes that hide injuries?

When i quoted catch-22, it was just a vague idea of a paradox. 'Is he fully fit ? Yes ? Well let him go and get hurt!' All in the name of protecting riders. The pros of actually doing that are obvious. Just seems silly from a certain perspective. But a fully fit rider probably has a better chance to survive. 

then...😉

I'd replied to St Stephen's Monty Python laces reply; alas it has appeared further down, therefore making no sense whatsoever  oh well, always look on the bright side of life...😙

 

...and with his iron will and great musculature Marc makes it impossible to heal I guess. I admire his ambition but it's time for him to think about his health. He has surgery on both of his shoulders and now this. He is incredible rider but this is not worth it. If he gets red light for this race the pain will come as he is riding high in adrenaline to get back. Anyway I wish him all the best.

It'll be a shame if he can't be in a position to start an epic fight back but i guess most important is correct recovery. Lets see what the doctors say, maybe the stress issue is due to the paticular plate and the new one will stand up to the punishment, no idea. Still, he's only one day earlier under the knife compared to Jerez so i canot see him in Brno.

If Fabio continues his form from Jerez, we'll be waiting on engine issues to bring some excitement to the championship battle. Luckily it's exciting enough regardless of the title.

On a more frustrating note, i'm stuck in the Czech Republic currently with work. The timing gods have never placed me in a better position to go watch the r.......this virus ruins everything.

I'm with Lilyvani. Guy's got to get a life. Step back and think about a four-year contract extension worth what, 80-100 million Euros? Hey, buy a boat, buy a helicopter and learn to fly it, sit on the beach, drink some sangria for a couple of months, come back when you're really ready. It's incredible to see the dedication, but ...

I think riders in MotoGP show their dedication to their sport every time they get onto the bike with an injury. It would be best for them to take some time off and mend up fully. But, these men are obsessed with racing and it's their competitive drive that makes them so much fun to watch. In this current era, Marc is the definition of that obsession. A rider not obsessed and possessed with the desire to crush his opponents wouldn't have been able to have a comeback as Marc did at the first race. In the eyes of normal folks, he's a fool. Risking his body for imaginary points. But to him, this is everything. If he could distract himself with sailing or learning to fly I can't imagine he would be half as good a rider as he actually is. 

Fabio is the rider that MM93 fears. Marc denied him a win last year and already Fabio has 2 wins with his confidence growing all the time - with no Marquez to put him back in his box. Taking the year off means he will face a younger pretender to his throne next year. Plus i suspect his ability to dodge injury is on the decline and he is starting feel mortal!

Seriously? A guy who is the greatest at what he does and is an 8 time world champion should get a life? Breathtaking!

Seems easy to look back in hindsight and say MM93 should have done this or done that. Now matters seem really bad...to have go in and unscrew all that metal and then try to put it all back through the same holes in bone? Sounds horrible, seems likes a lot more could go wrong the second time, and no surprise he has to stay for observation. 

But if the plate bent from just the things he was doing in the days following the surgery, that means it was always going to bend. He was only ever going to do more and more over the period while the bone strengthened, including crashing, so this was inevitable. The press release seems carefully worded, and simple "accumulated stress" bending the rod makes the doctors appear incredibly inept. To speculate, I wouldn't be surprised if he already crashed and did a JL99-Sachsen-2015 to bend it. Pure speculation of course but seems more likely than the doctors screwing up this badly. 

Love him or hate him, the fact that Marquez loves racing motorcycles more than most people love anything has to be acknowledged.  He has a competitive drive that is just staggering.   Not many sportsmen in any sport are built like him, but the ones that are can usually be found in the GOAT discussions in their respective disciplines. 

Us layperson haters were right this time. Unfortunate but not surprising. 

I agree that this is a big failure in their so called system. Hindsight is 20-20 but you need to implement changes with the benefit that clear hindsight gives you. I guess push ups are not the same as riding a MotoGP bike? Who knew. Rins and Crutchlow probably shouldn't have raced either but what do I know.

I am not an orthopedic surgeon but I used to teach materials laboratory, and if the plate bent it was from a single event that exceeded the yield stress of the titanium.  A titanium plate would not "accumulate stress" (which is not an expression that makes any sense in terms of engineering mechanics), nor would metal fatigue be a factor as that would take hundreds of thousands or millions of stress cycles.

I'd guess the plate/screw interface has suffered, so the plate's not tight with the screws.

Some of those screws have two threads, one to lock into the bone, and another near the head, to lock into the plate.

Well, at least six of the ones in my leg do, anyway. 

One thing I'm not sure about, ais whether he needed another 12 holes to be made in his humerus for the screws to go into, I doubt they'd re-use existing ones. It's not like you can push in a rawl plug and hope for the best.

Agreed, titanium work-hardends immediately which is why this just doesn't make sense in this context. Its mostly likely that the plate became missalaigned or shifted due to the stress on the whole 'joint' (btwn bones and mending plate). Something which MM would have surely felt afterwords. 

He would have known first time out. But he did 5 or 6 attempts. Bravery is one thing, the other one makes you look stupid. 

Bin this year, come back next year even stronger. Forget all the macho stuff and think for a moment 

Bad news for Marquez & Honda.  I'm no MotoGP rider.  I'm a risk averse middle aged man, but if I were Marc I would be asking the doctors for a stronger plate for their second attempt.

I love how the medical experts on the Internet now claim they were right, while previously NONE of them expressed any concerns over possible bending of a titanium plate, but then again that’s why they only are experts while they are typing away some garbage on a keyboard..

'...one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he were sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to, but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.'

I can't help but think of this when i read through some of the social media around Marc's arm in a strange inversed way.

Calls for regulation to save the riders from themselves !

Sound rational descisions about the riders safety must be made before we can allow them to get on the bike, but allowing the riders to get on the bike and do what they do, which is inherently unsafe, is not rational in terms of rider saftey. Riders all want to get on their bikes regardless of injuries because they are crazy. However, they must be sane to be allowed to ride, but to ride is crazy.

Maybe it's just me but i see some contradiction in thinking it's perfectly OK to allow a fully fit rider to jump the crest of Mugello at 220mph+ or take the helping hand of gravity down Bray Hill and then accept the inevitable crash when it occurs as sport. But to do a handful of laps during practice with a broken arm is unacceptable and must be regulated against.

I think if it wasn't Marc or another 'star', 90% of people wouldn't even comment, maybe a few 'well at least he has a real excuse now'.

Anyway, i'm hoping he's back being crazy on that Honda as soon as possible, even if they have to give him a helmet operated front brake.

 

"Hey doc, something's not right. After an especially intense workout, I noticed my right arm sticking out slightly like a chicken wing. So I decided to do as many push ups as possible, to strenghthen it ya know, and somewhere in the 150s my body collapsed onto the floor and I fell flat on my face knocking myself out. I woke up and now my right elbow is up near my ear! What's up, doc?"

"Well, Marc, apparently your obsession of "playing with the limit" (Dovizioso's words) is not confined to dancing around corners on the RC213V making the rest of the grid look pedestrian as you circulate the track at a second per lap quicker than everyone else in a racing world where margins are measured in thousandths of a second. Aparrently this talent (or perversion) you have seeps into other areas of your life - such as the health and well being of your body. Your shenanigans on Saturday of Jerez Part Deux, where you wanted to "test" the strength of your body after listening to your body (and ego) just four days after I screwed and plated your right arm to the rest of the right arm, may have caused some metal fatigue. This weakness in the plate was further exacerbated by your need to get back in the championship hunt to justify your new 80 million euro contract. You have a penchant of trying to rip the upper limbs of your body off your torso in your quest for glory. Your win-it-or-stretcher-it, "compete at all costs or go down in flames persona" is what makes you the man you are. I myself am content to incise, drill, plate, screw, pin, tie and suture your body parts back together again and again and again."

"Yeah, but doc, can you fix it right away because I want to listen to my body again, see how I'm feeling, and maybe try to compete this weekend in Brno."

"Sure, why not? Should you feel well enough after we do the same surgery over again, why not go to Brno and try to do the exact same thing that you did at Jerez? Because, to be honest, there are a lot of fanatical fans that want to see if you can do it. And if the heads of HRC, your team and manager, and the Circuit Medical Officer were to allow you to compete this weekend, you would cement your reputation in the Halls of Personal Power. No one can tell you what to do. So what if your power is aligned with ego. And if you were somehow able to finish on the podium, whoa..."

"Yeah, doc. That's what I want!" 

BBC news reported at 11am this morning 4\8 that he has withdrawn from the Brno gp.

I sustained an open fracture of the humerus (bone poking out of my leathers) in 2003.  It was plated (similar to Marquez), I'll spare you the X-ray.  After normal post-op pain, it felt fine.

I began activity "too soon" (in my case, bicycle commuting), and after a few days, began to have severe pain.  The result: two screws had loosened, the bone was declared "non-union" and a second surgery was performed.

Sound familiar?  I mentioned this in this forum a week or so ago.  Humph.

He did it to himself, either in FP4 or post race riding a MX bike.  I've said it since he debuted in the premier class, one day he's gonna pay for the type of riding he does.  The body will only take so much.  He's already had very invasive surgery.  The eye, the shoulders.  As you age, the worse the recovery gets.  He is  human like everyone else.  I hope, for his sake, he learns from this mistake of his own doing, and sits it out, proper, and recovers, and learns from it.  If he does that, and learns from this, he'll break every record in the book.  If he does not he risks ending his career.  All it would take is another high side, or even a low slide, to severely damage that arm.  Listen to Mir, take many races off, the 2020 championship is gone for you.  Come back when Mir clears you 100% as a human being. 

.....who wants to race. When you have a guy who dances this close to the edge, this is what you sometimes get. His willingness to skate that close to disaster is what gets you multiple trophies. Don't particularly like the kid but admire the hell outta his committment and talent. His life, his choice.

I took the first 13 races of last year, gave Marquez a big zero in the first five rounds and bumped everyone who finished those races up a place. Result:

Dovi - 191 points

Marquez - 180 points

Rins - 160 points

Did the same with the last 13 races of 2019. Result:

Marquez - 190 points

Vinales - 179 points

Dovi - 176 points

Now i know, it's a different picture now. For starters that's 13 races at different tracks in 2019, without double headers etc. Also he wont return on that same level of form, if ever or at least immeadiately. But looking at the pace he did show in Jerez 1, the potential is there. Fabio is no longer the rookie. Oh and it's no longer 2019 it's 2020. However, given the possibility of Yamaha engine woes possibly damaging Fabio and Mavericks points tally. Miller being further up, taking points, taking podiums. Peco maybe showing the pace he showed in Jerez 2 more often, taking points and podiums. Rossi, Taka Naka and The KTMs.

So

If Marquez returns in Misano and looks like he is dominating the long runs in FP2....run the bookies fast ! Just joking, i never gamble smiley

edit: And the most shocking part of those stats is the last 8 races of 2019, max possible points 200, Marc drops 10 of them.

Yes, Marquez' current situation is of his own doing. The flame that shines twice as bright burns half as long.

Has anyone else watched the first Jerez race from his onboard camera? The amount of time he makes up on the brakes is astounding. The bike is squirming around into and out of the corners. As Peter Bom puts it in the Paddock Pass Podcast episode 149 (https://overcast.fm/+FNspRmW6Y) "Marquez is basically crashing slowly in every corner." Both are worth a watch/listen if one has the time. Bom explains very clearly the mentality of a motorcycle racer during a race weekend. Thank you very much for the podcast, David and Peter.

ZX-10 was great. Faster above 155 than my bike. 80s was a great time to ride. I know a little about pain - 9 broken bones in my left leg and foot from a bad get-off...above 130 on a mountainous road. Oh well, got the bike back on the road a couple years later. Since then I've grown up and stopped drinking; 10 years sober last month. I was lucky, I have no lingering effects from the incident. I recommend the TV series of Catch-22. I saw it last year, was very well done. The most coherent out of book, movie and TV. It's a good picture of the absurdity of war and bureaucracy. Good chatting. I always enjoy your existentialist-ish comments. Oops, I guess this is in the wrong place but it's to the right person so you should get the connection

Well done in that area of your life, Brian. Was wondering if these comments might be deleted since they are a bit off topic. Enjoyed the chatting also.

Mental fitness for racing is different than your standard mental health evaluation.

Remember seeing how obviously shook up and white pasty shock in the face Gary McCoy was after his accident on the Yamaha? That did not look fit to ride. Or we may see lack of focus, riders often aren't present enough due to either a mental preoccupation or an emotional upheaval.

Marc's kind of nuts IS motorcycle racing. Every step taken in riding a bike, faster, on track, competing, plying the limit, crashing, racing hurt - each increment is a weighed decision that makes sense more or less ish from where you are at.

The whole thing is nuts. Conventional instinct and rationality is trancended. A greater one is then harnessed via the transformation. Safety, survival, rudimentary apprehension, normal reactions...all are worked through. Mastery in a greater realm occurs.

I would rather risk death here than being condemned to mundane existence. Having tasted this, that is insufficient. The veil between living and something unfathomably transcendent is evidently a magic carpet ride. Carving turns dragging elbows. Leaving black lines of graffiti on the devil's driveway. Swapping paint with angels.

Just like police cars can only go around 130mph, same for a body falling from the sky hitting terminal velocity. Demons can't catch you, I think they max out at about 160mph? God? Let's you run through his house at 225mph, but only for a while and if you don't break anything or leave a mess.

(i`m no expert) but i would have thought that  Marc would have been checked very carefully indeed on return home from Jerez. If plate had been damaged would they have waited another week to operate?? Don`t think so.  An interesting snippet i read somewhere from Colin Edwards (can`t recall where) his thought was that cause of accident may have been electronics glitch. He also suggested Casey`s accident at Indy was very similar. Possible?? I was surprised when Marc crashed, his recovery ride i thought had been spectacular but nowhere near out of control, had caught Maverick with plenty of laps left. Job essentially done Then boom all over. Just my thoughts, don`t shoot me if you disagree.                                                                             Beamer12

 

Alberto Puig stated that Marc Marquez broke the plate in his right arm "trying to open a window" (or large door?) at home, which led to the second operation.  This seems to me a little bit far fetched from a couple of perspectives.  First, I'd figure that one with a broken arm would probably use the other, unbroken, handle to open or close something.  Second, the forces involved would seem to be insufficient to cause that much additional damage.