Court Of Appeal Ruling On Ducati Expected Monday Or Tuesday

The FIM MotoGP Court of Appeal sat today in Mies, near Geneve, Switzerland, to hear the appeal by four other factories against the ruling of Technical Director Danny Aldridge that Ducati's swing arm-mounted spoiler was legal. The court convened at 11am, and rose shortly before 6pm, but without issuing a decision. That will have to wait until early next week, with Monday or Tuesday the likely dates for an announcement.

The five manufacturers involved were all represented by the highest levels of management, according to GPOne.com. For Ducati, Ducati Corse director Gigi Dall'Igna was present, along with Technical Coordinator Fabiano Sterlacchini. Appealing the decision of the FIM Stewards were Massimo Rivola for Aprillia, Alberto Puig for Honda, Mike Leitner for KTM, and Davide Brivio for Suzuki.

Though no information has been released through official channels, the Italian sports daily Gazzetta dello Sport managed to get a reaction from Ducati Corse boss Gigi Dall'Igna, which was then republished by the German language website Speedweek. Dall'Igna was reportedly furious that he had been forced to reveal information which he would have rather kept quiet about.

"In presenting our defense, we had to reveal some of our secrets about an area which our competitors had neglected," Dall'Igna told Gazzetta dello Sport. "If it was up to me, I would never have revealed what this element was for." The Ducati Corse boss also revealed that he was angry at Danilo Petrucci, for talking about the parts at the Qatar test. "I was furious with Petrucci, who had spoken about cooling the tires during the test."

The length of the court session is likely a sign of the depth of the hearing. Data was presented, and expert testimony heard. The judges will now take a couple of days to digest the information, and present their conclusions. Those conclusions will come early next week.

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Dall'Igna bear a strong resemblance to members of the WWWF and the like? "I was furious with Petrucci, who had spoken about cooling the tires during the test."  Poppy cock!  That is exactly what he was told to say to the media, you knew the other factories were going to protest and when they did you knew you would have to reveal all your data.  A bit like when a boxers manager decides there is not enough hype around a fight he/she invents things to argue about.  Here Dall'Igna knows it will be challenged so he sets about to create a pantomime in the guise of Petrucci who with wide eyes describes how much trouble he will get into.  It was funny then, but sorry Dall'Igna, it is starting to drag out a little too long now, move along.

Total votes: 34

It's not even fair for the media to ask a rider who is just hyped up about the riding and probably doesn't understand the fine technicalities.

After the last couple of years of watching Marquez batter the rule book with impunity and Ducati now fudging the game I feelike its time to turn off after 50 years.

Moto gp isn't much fun these dsys

Total votes: 38

it's still heaps of fun but Gigi just needs to not fight the rip, let it take him out and swim back after it takes him past the breakers.  You jump in knowing it will cause a stir, so just don't bitch because one of the bees you poked stung you.

I do appreciate the ideas it has created but I will be surprised if any of the others have the stones to try something this radical, pity.

Total votes: 9

Maybe you should go pneumatic valve (rather then overhead) as the racing is better than it has ever been.

Marquez and Ducati are pushing the edge of the envelope and there is always fun in that.

I am enjoying it more than ever.

Total votes: 17

Where is the benefit in aero for anyone other than the mental cases that race motorbikes in circles for a living?

I'm sure lots of track day heroes are going to pipe up now and tell me that they can shave a second off their time round *their favourite track*

It's not going to make your takeway food arrive quicker is it? I'm not going to save any realiistically measurable time on the commute next week am I?

Get rid.

Flame suit on.

Total votes: 22

I can understand making the argument you’re making in a different context (though I don’t think many would disagree with you; your commute isn’t going to be any faster because of aero wings), but why bring this up here? The article is talking solely about the FIM Court of Appeals case brought by MotoGP manufacturers and is specifically about aero parts in MotoGP.

So don’t worry, if you change your mind about using a swing arm mounted spoiler for take away food pick ups you’ll be free to do so no matter if Gigi wins or loses his case :)

Total votes: 8

The letter of the law pertinent to the swingarm apendage is vague and ambiguous at best. By the look of it the top side favours tire cooling and the bottom side should produce some downforce incidentally by virtue of the necessary shape...wheels being round, forward, clockwise rotation being the norm. Then there is the so called spirit of the law. Gp is about prototypes and improvisation to gain an advantage within the ambit of the rule book without handing intellectual property to ones adverseries. No wonder Gigi is pissed off. Kudos to Yamaha. They did not complain because they see nothing outside the rule book to complain about, rather something to work on with their own bike and perhaps incorporate as an innovation. Heaven forbid they nullify the Quatar result. Were that to happen Marquez would be ticked off for sure, but would have to defer to HRC in the public space. KTM are the least to complain. They have a huge budget, openly  expouse their opposition to anything aero and compete in all classes, which, in M3, M2 and GP1 cica 2019 they are currently useless. Maybe they think the fairings are actually for Red Bull/KTM ads rather than aero efficiency. They are welcome to run fairingless bikes with flat bars a' la Wes Cooley Yoshimura Suzuki back then in AMA Superbike and see if that improves their current lot. Their dual sport/MX bikes are superb. MGP/tarmac is a discipline in engineering they have to run with within the ambit of the rules and development of the discipline. HRC...sour grapes, Suzuki...sour grapes, ditto...Aprilia. What next? Protest desmo in SBK. Cut revs? For years all and sundry protested the desmo twins capacity advantage to maintain equilibrium. They got it and the Pani L-twin never won a title. Ducati run a 4 cylinder 1000cc mill for the first time and bang...6 out of 6 in the hands of only 1 rider, the other 3 are getting there. I recall seeing an alloy box used as a jig to ensure all GP bike's aero fitted complied to limitations and it was highly praised for 2019 regulations. Should that not be the end of the conversation?

Total votes: 14

Ducati had the capacity advantage again but still no championship for the twin Panigale.

GP is about prototypes, but they are limited by the regulations, starting with capacity, max bore, number of engines, weight, tyres etc and now electronics and the point of contention aero which seems to be being made up as it goes along based on challenges raised by the factories, notably Ducati.

I am happy with clearly defined aero restrictions that keep the bike looking clean and simple without the numerous frills that feature on F1 cars.

I suspect the protests are for clarification as much as wanting to change the results as it is continues to be unclear whether the Ducati swing arm spoiler (reminds me a bit of the one under the radiator on an old Australian Holden Torana XU1) provides downforce in addition to anything else it is doing. 

Total votes: 7

:-)

personally I think the others protested so they could get the data with virtually zero cost.  After all, it is not written into the rule book that you "cannot protest in order to understand what your opposition has done".  As such the protesters simply played the same game.  Touche.

Total votes: 7

By improving the speed it brings forward the day when the bikes will have to be slowed by other means. As already covered here, some tracks are marginal on safety at current speeds. Given a choice I would rather keep Mugello than aero. Even that probably means following F1 at some point and introducing a more street-relevant drive package. I appreciate the ‘purity’ of free-choice, but the drawback is the usual affordability problem for most teams and the knock-on risk of marginal commercial viability or ability to adapt of the tracks that are not financed by governments - often the ones we like most......

Ducati should keep their points and freedoms, but the sport also needs to be more flexible - seamless boxes seem to make no sense, except as a rule beater, when DSG is much lower cost; although I don’t know about package size/weight. Sensible solutions and costs should apply to everything. So much money seems to be wasted on everyone having exotic solutions. If that improves the breed it may be justified, but if it is a technical cul-de-sac then the originator should get a pat on the back and an award and the device excluded from future meetings. Just like standard electronics really. We don’t notice it, and yet real world improvements to production machines are still achieved.

Total votes: 11

I get the whole "prototype" argument, but I don't see the point of mandating a MotoGP windscreen be no more than 300mm wide x 370mm long and then allowing pneumatic valves which have no real world application.  Same for stipulating brake rotors be only 320mm or 340mm, and brake manufacturers having to submit a list of brake parts prior to the season which cannot be updated during the season, removing any chance of development.  And why TCS but no ABS? 

I find it hard to take the whole "innovation" thing seriously when I can buy a road bike with cornering ABS, ZTL brakes, hydraulically actuated variable cam timing, dual clutch gearbox all of which is illegal in MotoGP.  Some present the argument that MotoGP is about driving road bike development, but until recently the best sportsbikes money could buy (ZX10R, S1000RR) were made by manufacturers who don't even compete in MotoGP.

Now we have innovation being slammed in a series that supposedly promotes innovation. 

The should run a MotoGP race on Broadway, it is a brilliant comedy.

Total votes: 11