Casey Stoner Post-Race Debrief: "I've Got To Get Results"

Q: What happened at the start.

CS: Ask my technician that, because it wasn't my fault.

Q: You weren't in second gear!

CS: No, the bike jumped and shuddered and shook, and it sounded like the bike basically exploded off the start, nearly stalled the thing and just started going horribly, and managed to keep it going. Got into the first turn and got shoved around and pushed around, and really spat out the back door.

I'm a little disappointed, because it would have been an easy second, maybe even battle with Jorge for the win, but I would have had to push for that.

Q: Did you have some more trouble with the clutch during the race?

CS: A couple of times when I went to change from first to second in the middle of the chicane. You sort of come out, back off, and then click into second, but it went into neutral. That was a bit strange, but that wasn't a big issue, I was still running corner speed, so I only lost a tenth or two. But off the start, yeah, it was a huge issue. I'm a little bit disappointed with that, but at least we had the speed, we had a set up that I was fairly happy with. Could have done with a lot more grip, but braking points and everything, we were really happy with.

Q: Was the soft tire the right choice, do you think?

CS: Well, we would have preferred to be running the hard tire, but we weren't able to generate the temperature all weekend, so if we'd run the hard tire and cloud cover had come over, we would have been pretty much screwed. We couldn't generate the heat.

A soft tire isn't soft, it's just softer than the hard compound. It's probably the hardest compound we had a couple of years ago. But there were no issues with it, it was quite consistent throughout the race, so it's no problem.

Q: Five races and no podium: Did you ever think that would happen?

CS: Not really, but every race we should have podiumed at or had a chance of winning, things haven't gone right, so. I'm not too worried, there were three out of five races that we had a very good shot at, a chance of winning to be honest, but it's just not working out at the moment. We've still got a long season, still got a lot of races to win.

Q: You think you've solved the front end problems you had earlier?

CS: I mean the bike's completely different, I feel confident again with the front. But we didn't think we had issues, until it suddenly just folded and there was no way to get it back. Every time I fold this front end, with these forks, it's easy to pick it back up again. But we had no problems and I didn't fold the front once in the race, it felt good, felt confident. I just had a problem going into the last part on the brakes. Last part of the corner and the entry, I really had to have a lot of pressure on the front tire, because as soon as I went in there, I actually didn't have enough strength to put it on at the end and I started running wide. We were sitting too high in the stroke at the last part of the corner, but in general, the bike was working pretty well, so was the front end.

Q: It looks like Lorenzo is having a good run. Today, you were probably the only one who could have matched his pace, he said that as well.

CS: It was the same at Le Mans, you know? There was only myself and Jorge who were able to run the laptimes, and Dani had a couple of crashes. One crash, and Dani gets a little bit nervous; two crashes is pretty much game over for the weekend.

For sure Dani had the pace to do better. When I was behind him today, there was nothing wrong with what he was doing, he just wasn't really pushing hard. But after a couple of crashes of course your confidence gets knocked. I had the same problems, so. But yes, he should have been able to run with Jorge if it hadn't been for those couple of crashes.

Q: Are you more disappointed about what happened at the start of the race, or happy with the way you came back from last position?

CS: To be honest, we've only had one bad race this year, and that was Mugello. I know it was the best result of the year, but it was our worst race, we never had the pace all weekend. Every other race we've had the pace. In Jerez, we struggled with losing the front end and had to back off just a little bit due to confidence, but in general every race except Mugello, we've been there or thereabouts.

So it's no different, we haven't had the results we need at the moment, but I think for sure, without arm pump, we still would have been able to get on the podium. But we had an issue that we've never had before and it shouldn't be a cause. We're pretty sure we've figured out what it was.

Q: Apart from the result, you are a little bit happy for the result, for the feeling with the bike?

CS: I didn't expect the pace to be so fast in the race, but everyone upped the pace in the race, and I think the weather sort of helped. But this morning warm up, we knew we had a pretty good setup, we just changed a few small things for the race, but yeah, we knew we had a setting that we could run with the front guys. We made a big step this morning, and I'm pretty happy with the way things are going.

Q: And you hope you will find the same feeling at Assen?

CS: Like I've said, every race this year except Mugello, we've been there or thereabouts, so we should be able to find the pace at Assen, but we'll have to wait to get there to see.

Q: Why was it so hard to get past Dani?

CS: Acceleration. You know, I'm coming out of the corners, and Barbera went past me like I was standing still today, and he's on the same bike, he outdid me there. And Dani, all he does is square off the corners, I'm too far to make a late charge on the brakes. I was struggling on the brakes because of my arm pump, and you know it was hard work. Everyone had a hard time getting past Dani, you know? A lot of people were stuck behind him today. He punches out of corners hard, and there's no way you can get close, so. That'll be the reason.

Q: You mentioned arm pump again, has that been a problem all weekend?

CS: All weekend, yes. We've been struggling with it a bit. It's the first time, other than Laguna last year, where I was tired and things weren't going right for us. I've never had arm pump in my life during roadracing, so it was the first time I've ever had it, and I struggled round with it a little bit today. The cool weather definitely didn't help, but there was another factor that we kind of realized over the whole weekend, and we should be OK.

Q: I know it's a question that you riders don't like, but looking at Lorenzo's advantage in the championship, it looks like it's going to be pretty easy.

CS: I've said I'm not part of this championship for a while now, so it's not my department to talk about. I've got to get myself further up in the standings, and I'm not doing any justice at the moment, so. For me the championship's out of the question, and I've just to get some results.

Q: To go back to the arm pump, you said there was another factor. Are you referring to diet, or is it something else?

CS: No, just, something trivial. I don't know how to explain it... Basically, my undersuit that I wore, I had three new ones for the weekend, I wore three new ones. They're tighter on the arms than they've ever been... Big deal …

Found out what they are, but only after the race. With this cool weather, blowing on your arm, and with being under a little bit more pressure than usual, you normally need everything. as loose as you can. It was a silly mistake, and it wasn't something I really think about. You know it wasn't a lot of pressure, but just a slight bit too much for the track.

Q: Are you concerned, because Assen is in six days?

CS: I'd be fine to ride tomorrow. Arm pump's not like that, once you've got rid of it, it's gone. You're alright again in the next session. The arm pump was just in my right. It wasn't helped by this being a right hand track, a lot of corners that you're picking it up going from the right to the left, always picking it up, picking it up, and it just started getting sore.

Q: From a poor start, you were able to come right through. What is it about the track that allows that to happen? I mean, somewhere like Valencia, the opposite happens.

CS: The riders in the front were slower, riders got stuck behind. I saw Ben and Simoncelli getting stuck behind Dani, the other riders sort of went away at the front. The other riders obviously weren't as fast, and yes, they just came back to everyone. It was this race, rather than the circuit.

Q: What happened at the start.CS: Ask my technician that, because it wasn't my fault.Q: You weren't in second gear!CS: No, the bike jumped and shuddered and shook, and it sounded like the bike basically exploded off the start, nearly stalled the thing and just started going horribly, and managed to keep it going. Got into the first turn and got shoved around and pushed around, and really spat out the back door.I'm a little disappointed, because it would have been an easy second, maybe even battle with Jorge for the win, but I would have had to push for that.

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The mental state

"Ask my technician that, because it wasn't my fault."

Ouch. Well, I guess there is a little tension in the Ducati garage. It seems Casey and his team really feel the pressure of not delivering race wins.

I guess Jorge pinned it down correctly - "It depends on my mind. My mind is open and it will be difficult for them to catch me." - and that appears to be the problem Casey and Dani are both facing at the moment.

I really hope Casey and Dani will find a way out of this soon, solo shows from Jorge like Silverstone are rather boring.

Total votes: 22

I would agree with that

["I've Got To Get Results"]

Also:

[I know it was the best result of the year, but it was our worst race, we never had the pace all weekend.]

Interesting perspective.

Total votes: 33

Stoner was pee'd

I'd say he was very pee'd off; both he and Hayden had clutch problems though Hayden's not as bad. Not the first time that Ducati have sent Stoner (and Hayden) out on a bike with problems!

Total votes: 30

Casey is as good as gone.

I like the guy, at least he's not covering what he has to say, he's going for it. And a fantastic rider.

But, as far as i know and feel, he's already riding the HRC bike. This is why he's so relax right now.

Total votes: 32

reminds me of someone...

I don't think his mental state is even slightly in question.
He knows he has the speed and often the bike to deliver, and for him it is just a matter of when right now. He just wants to get on with the job until he gets the results he expects - which is race wins.

Casey's upfront comments and the manner in which they're implied remind me of Mick Doohan. And Mick's mental toughness was never in question...

I also agree it's likely we'll see him on the Honda next year.

David are you the man asking the questions? If so great job.
There's more info in the above interview than other sites could offer in a week.

Total votes: 45

Good vs. bad

Interesting perspective from CS on good or bad races. It says a lot about his confidence, which is obviously a lot higher than you might think.

Total votes: 41

Not acceptable

Q: I know it's a question that you riders don't like, but looking at Lorenzo's advantage in the championship, it looks like it's going to be pretty easy.

CS: I've said I'm not part of this championship for a while now, so it's not my department to talk about.

Perhaps I haven't understood what he meant to say, but I don't think it is acceptable from a world champion and leader of a factory team to say this. It is his obligation to fight for the championship until the end. If Lorenzo can pull an 80 point lead over him in 5 races, Stoner can surely find a way to close the gap back in the 13 remaining races.

Pedrosa and Stoner have to start getting their acts together or they are going to hand-over that championship on a silver platter.

Clearly Lorenzo has the upper-hand in terms of "stability" if he is to stay with Yamaha while the others have team changes on their minds, but we are just one third through the championship and to me they just look beat!

Total votes: 35

Not acceptable

Q: I know it's a question that you riders don't like, but looking at Lorenzo's advantage in the championship, it looks like it's going to be pretty easy.

CS: I've said I'm not part of this championship for a while now, so it's not my department to talk about.

Perhaps I haven't understood what he meant to say, but I don't think it is acceptable from a world champion and leader of a factory team to say this. It is his obligation to fight for the championship until the end.

If Lorenzo has pulled an 80 point lead over him in 5 races, can't he close the gap back in the 13 remaining races?

Pedrosa and Stoner have to start getting their acts together or their going to hand-over that championship on a silver platter.

Total votes: 34

"Ask my technician that,

"Ask my technician that, because it wasn't my fault"

It never is your fault is it Casey? Why not just admit you made a balls of it and look like a man for a change?

Total votes: 28

Not true.

Read the interviews, watch the videos. Stoner admits mistakes, but also points at technical issues. He just tells it like it is. Sure he can act like a victim - he's definately not a media genius. But he provides more insights in MotoGP than most riders.

Total votes: 26

What would a real man do?

A rider can kowtow to his team and sponsors, keep his mouth shut, thank everyone... or he can say what actually happened and not give a damn what anyone thinks of his opinion. As was previously mentioned, Stoner is more like Doohan than any other rider out there.

Interesting that there's been so little vitriol directed towards Stoner, given what usually happens when he races in the UK. Maybe the children are growing up a little.

Total votes: 36

A rider can kowtow to his

A rider can kowtow to his team and sponsors...

His employers then?

Total votes: 35

Should be fun at HRC

Based on his comments about Dani, it should be real fun at HRC next year.

On the one hand, it's enlightening to see someone simply speak their mind, on the other hand, you have Nicky who clearly understands his overall role in a team and it adds to his value even when he's not winning on the track. There are only so many bridges to be burned and fans to be alienated. Just ask Max.

Total votes: 31

Another miss

Casey proved his worth again yesterday. His bad season will turn the corner. Fact is, he was the only one that could hold a candle to Lorenzo. I watched a recent interview with him and Prezzioso. Fellipe said that the rider is the best sensor on the machine.
The technical staff need the rider's data to improve the machine. Now if the rider is just going to say everything is great,it was my fault,the engineers have nothing to work with. No doubt all the other riders get just as vehement about technical issues, Casey just doesn't bother about the PR and who he admonishes in front of the press which is refreshing.
I for one hope he stays with Ducati. With Rossi out of the game until further notice and musical chairs around the corner, I reckon Ducati need him more than he needs them and he knows it.Hope they realise it before Honda grab him. Might be too late already.

Total votes: 45

Would it be refreshing if

Would it be refreshing if Prezzioso or any other crew chief admonished their riders in public?

It's a TEAM. Personally I dont find it refreshing when anyone badmouths one of their own teammates. In any sport. It's not professional behavior.

Total votes: 36

Adrenalinmoto

You are aware these things are not your everyday roadbike, and that they have launch control software? Why is it so difficult for people to accept what Casey says? What 'man' part of you gives you the right to criticise him in the manner you did while being far from conversant with the full facts or the nature of the GP10. I'm going to place just a little more weight on the credence of Casey's comments than yours.

I like Casey's candour. He knows in his mind he's the quickest out there (whether true or not) and that is the most important mindset for a winner. But yes the comment was fairly pointed and suggests a Honda move.

Total votes: 40

Lets be real here. None of

Lets be real here. None of us have ridden the GP10 or any other GP bike. But we are free to say whatever the hell we want. It would be pretty lame if we follow your logic and agree with everything a rider says simply because we haven't been there ourselves.

Total votes: 26

Freedom of speech

You are free to say whatever you like. You are also free to post it here. However, to avoid this site degenerating into just another screaming match, I moderate this place very, very strictly, and personal attacks or pointless posts are quickly deleted.

However, what makes me proudest is the fact that I have to intervene so very rarely, maybe just a couple of times a month. The level of discussion (even when it is criticizing or praising riders) is so high that I can more or less let discussions run their course. I have even had some of the most senior journalists in the MotoGP paddock compliment me on the quality of comments here.

One point to consider when reading these debriefs is this: Casey Stoner often has a wry little smile on his face when talking, showing that he doesn't take himself as seriously as it might appear. That really doesn't come across well in the written word, but unfortunately, I'm not allowed to post the audio on the website.

If you want to hear Stoner speak for yourselves, sometimes GPOne.com has audio clips from debriefs on the website here.

As for Stoner making excuses, Ducati has had clutch troubles several times this year, and Nicky Hayden complained about the clutch previously as well.

Total votes: 46

Thanks David...

I for one really really appreciate your moderation David. There are plenty of other sites that uninformed and youthful (not necessarily in age) posters can ruin with their dribble.

It's nice to read from, and converse with, true and appreciative fans that recognize the talents of ALL these brave and unique competitors.

Total votes: 36

I absolutely agree...

The only other site that I go to now for my MotoGP news, other than MotoGP.com is SpeedTV.com for the Noyes Notebook viewpoints. These two sites are the only ones that don't recycle useless already known info.

You can tell time is taken to analyze the state of the championship/MotoGP before putting together an article. And this is the only site that I've found so far that has consistent thoughtful discussion going on. That's why it's my homepage :)

Thanks for all the hard work Sir Emmett!
Cheers,

Vinny
twitter @deftjester

Total votes: 30

Stoner's complaints

David, I don't have checked it in depth, so this is rather out of my mind:

I can't remember Casey really saying something bad about Ducati in the past. I remember last year he said about the carbon swing arm: ".. it's better than last year, now I'm not getting thrown around so much at corner exit"
This is a typical statement from him. When he has troubles with the bike you really here it 1 year later in a side comment like this.
On the contrary, you often here him refer to things that have improved on the bike, making you think the Ducati is on par with the M1.

If you compare this with the comments of Valentino about Yamaha and Michelin in 2007 ..., a total different story for me.

Another rider who has (had) his mouth in check is Pedrosa, in the past the hardest critique you'd hear from him was "we still have a lot of work". Recently though, his tongue starts slipping, a sign of growing frustration ...

Total votes: 37

Soap?

Some comments here have the feel of lines straight out of a soap opera. Too funny.

I think Stoners comments were honest and accurate. I also think they are pretty unguarded which could mean he is already confident about where he will be next year. Oh well, at least the bikes are the same color. I think that Pedrosa has worn out his welcome with Honda and Casey knows that as well. Stoner has loads of talent and I'm sure that he will excel no matter what machine he is on.

I believe that if Spies acquires Vale's bike this year he will be right up there with Lorenzo and Stoner at most of the remaining races. It would be great for "the show".

I doubt that will happen though as Rossi and Burgress really would rather have CE II (slower) on it - and Tech 3 will fight to have Spies stay on their machine. Sorry Ben, sometimes being beautiful can be a curse.

Total votes: 23

Really Casey?

The bike just bogged, my under suit was too tight, I don't have as much acceleration as the other bikes, the forks are bad, I can't get heat in the tires, Dani squares off the corners and it's hard to pass him....

When does he just come forward and say, "I'm sorry to everyone at Ducati and Marlboro. The guys worked really hard this weekend and I really let them down. Hell I've been letting them down all season. I've got to start getting results and stop coming up with excuses".

That would make me a Stoner fan for life.....don't think that's going to happen.

Total votes: 33

Yes REALLY

When you want to beat Lorenzo, Pedrosa or Rossi everything has to be perfect. An arm pump is certainly enough to fail. It's the same reason why Rossi couldn't beat Lorenzo 2 times this year.

Whether the under suit is really the cause for the arm pump, no one knows. But pro riders like Casey need to understand every problem and find a solution to fix it. If he doesn't, he wont beat Dani and Jorge.

The acceleration problem was already hinted, if the clutch failed at the start, it wont have "healed" itself in the race.

Dani is known to have a stellar acceleration out of the corners. Valentino and Jorge stated that too in the past. That Casey overtook Dani with a not 100% working clutch is testament to his incredible skills.

Yes the Ducati team is working hard, but so is Stoner. Read the comments from Nicky: "I'm sorry for Casey and his guys, they're working so hard..."
So neither Ducati nor Marlboro have anything to complain about Casey.

No heat in the tires: I'm guessing here - Casey said at the start of the weekend that it is tricky to find a setup because of the bumps. For the bumps, the bike has to be adjusted with a "soft" suspension, probably opening up the damping. He also said that if the suspension is soft, the bike loses traction/grip. Adding other comments from him about "loading" the front I conclude that the bridgestones work best when they are pushed to the max. When he has to compromise with the setup for the bumps he might not get them to work perfectly.

From your comments it's clear that you dislike Casey. Probably everyone here has riders he likes/dislikes. Maybe you can convince yourself to a little respekt for 1 of the 4 greates riders this planet has seen.

Total votes: 28

Uhhh O.K....?

Magic_Carpet please take a deep breath and relax. Motomatters is a place we were can voice our opinions, right or wrong, without the flaming that takes place on other sites.

I don't remember Rossi using arm pump as the reason for not besting Lorenzo this year but if it you posted it I'm sure it's true. As for the suit causing arm pump did he only use the suit for the race or did he use it for FP1, FP2 and Qual......if he's so adept at figuring out how to beat the other Aliens wouldn't this problem have occurred earlier in the weekend and wouldn't he have fixed it.

The clutch issue is anyone's guess and unless you have eyes on his telemetry from the weekend I guess we'll never know.

Nicky saying he feels sorry for Casey and that side of the garage isn't Casey saying he's sorry. Hell I feel bad if I don't get my menial tasks at work done...he's getting paid millions.

I think I've got a good idea on how suspension setup works and both bikes are having issues but Nicky seemed to ride around it....who knows. I do recall them saying getting heat into the rear tire was the issue and the front only felt vague. They, Nicky and Casey, said that they could be pushing and then all of a sudden the front would give way without warning. Could this be a heat issue or the bike just not set up correctly. This could be front rectified by changing springs, rebound, compression, bike geometry...all sorts of things, but unless you know more than I do we'll have to agree to disagree.

Do I dislike Casey, on the contrary I've been a fan of his since the LCR days when we spent more time in the kitty litter than a cat. I am amazed at Casey's ability to come out for one lap and set the fastest lap of the weekend. I could go on and on about the respect I have for the Grumpy Aussie but the point of my initial post was that when he starts having problems he seems to come up with alot of excuses.

Total votes: 33

???

Well, I'm relaxed, always was, you don't have to worry about me. But anyway, just a few breathing exercises: iiinnnn, and oooouut, iiiiin and oooout .. Hm, I'm still relaxed, no difference. *ggg*
And no, no flames in my posting, quite the opposite - I just used arguments in order to disprove your statements. Read it again, you wont find any attacks in it. If there would have been flames, David would have removed my posting.

Rossi + arm pump: Read my posting again, I was revering to "...everything has to be perfect." In Jerez and Le Mans Rossi + JB couldn't get the bike as good as Lorenzo and his guys could, so Rossi couldn't beat Jorge. Everything has to be real good or perfect to win a race against the other 3 aliens.

Arm pump + under suit: Is the under suite the cause? I don't know, but for me it's NOT an excuse, it's a simple statement of one issue he was struggling with.

Clutch: I don't have anyones telemetry, unfortunately. Just like anyone else here or in other forums. But basically there are 2 options: It's correct what you imply, Casey messed up the start and blamed the bike. Or the clutch was malfunctioning like he stated. Given that Casey lost ground not only at the start but also in the first lap I doubt that you're right. As you stated, Casey is full on from the lights out.

I don't understand your "...he's getting paid millions." statement.

It doesn't matter whether you or I know how to setup a suspension, because a MotoGP bike compares with nothing you and I have access to. Reading the comments of MotoGP riders and technicians I have the impression that at times they feel a little lost at the task, so it's probably not so straight forward. But is it an excuse when Casey says he can't get the hard tires to work? So yes, I agree we disagree, I don't see any excuse in this. Another statement of him about issues he was struggling with.

Alright, I was wrong with the assumption you dislike Casey. Still I think the point you want to make is wrong, I don't see him cover up a sloppy, lazy, unfocused job on his side. Too many things indicate that the opposite is true.
Yes, I agree with many here, he's not a PR wizard. But I like the informations he gives because I'm getting a little bit of insight what's going on in the background. Just like I like the frankness of one Colin Edwards.

Total votes: 35

more excuses

I try to like Casey, but I can't. Every time he opens his mouth its more excuses. His undersuit was too tight is a hilarious new one.

Total votes: 32

Selective memory

Its true Valentino Rossi never complained of his bike or of his tyres (2006/2007),or against an other rider(Elias Istambul park 2007).Actually Rossi complained about rear grip in Qatar this year,he complained about his soulder since Jerez.
Can we say Rossi is making excuses ?...I don't think so.

Total votes: 40

harsh

Some people are a little harsh on the man i think. I think he's missunderstood. He's not a PR poet, he's a racer.

Perhaps he could take the maldin and spies approach and say something like 'we just didn't get the job done today blah blah blah rinse repeat', but that's kinda bland :)

We have enough smile and wave riders. I enjoy casey's candor. His bike failed him off the start. He didn't fail the bike.

He doesn't talk nonsense and blame his bike constantly, like a pedrosa or biaggi (love biaggi anyway!). He simply says what happened. I don't think he should say, gee guys, i forgot how to use the clutch, or some other nonsense.

He's confident, and with good reason, that he can run at the front when conditions allow. He is not the weak link most of the time and when he is, he tells it as such.

Maybe if he went swimming in a beatle wig or got a mohawk or blew kisses at the camera while waving a powerdrink he'd have more fans. ;)

Total votes: 26

Stoner is a racer first and last

and not a PR persona. His focus is on winning races and not on promoting Brand Stoner. If some people read his comments - or what are sometimes selectively reported as his comments by certain sections of the motorcycle racing media - and seek to find fault with his personality, that's their problem, not his.

However, as always, the proof is in the pudding and his status as a rider is attested to by people who make or influence the decisions. Ducati certainly want to keep him, Suppo wants very much to poach him for Honda, JB stated on Sunday night in a commentary on Australian TV that 'Stoner is a highly sought rider'. He attained that status through racing results, not by winning 'motoGP Idol'.

Total votes: 29

Motomatters

I love this site, great job guys!

Total votes: 33

I know this will be blasphemous....

...but I really kind of get the feeling that Stoner is sandbagging and not doing his best. There I said it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one to think it. So when the announcement comes that he's going to Honda, he has all these issues with the bike to point back to as a reason. I know it sounds ludicrous, especially given his reputation and personality but his season has just been so awkwardly wrong. Like something's amiss. I just don't know...

Also, like many others I really look forward to Stoner's interviews because he gives so much more insight and info into MotoGP racing through his comments about bike setup, the turns, tracks etc... I like the dude a lot and agree wholeheartedly that he's a racer first and not a "smile and wave rider."

...but when I watch the SpeedTV pre-race coverage for Mugello and Casey says something to the affect of "...this isn't my home race so there's no pressure on me, I'm an Aussie." It gives it an air of unimportance or it not being special from Casey's standpoint in my eyes, as if it's just another race. Contrast that to Nicky's stance of saying saying how important the home race is for Ducati and the team and they need to do well... I'm sure all the passionate Ducati fans abroad and especially here in the U.S. who stuck by Casey last year putting together huge crowd signs saying "We love you Casey & Get Better" etc. deserve a little more respect and loyalty for the team/factory/fans.

As far as I've seen and read there isn't anyone that doesn't respect Casey or knows what a huge talent he is... However I believe there is a difference between trying to promote your brand and knowing there is more to the sport than yourself.

The individuals on the grid who are aware that there is more to the sport than just the riders and give back to the teams, fans and sport; the ones who can mix hubris with humility... are the one's that are loved, especially if they are successful racers. IMO that's a rider who is the entire package.

No disrespect to Casey though, I still love him for what he brings to the sport and I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy his terse personality but I write this because I can see what the other side of the aisle gets frustrated about.

Vinny
twitter @deftjester

Total votes: 29

Good point

You may have a point here. As I was reading your post I remembered a good friend of mine made a similiar observation last year when Donnington. He told me, never bet on Stoner winning the British GP, because he doesn´t want to be on "that" podium as the Brit fans are often rude and harsh on him. He will do whatever it takes to be 4th or less. Judging by the last two races in the UK (he was faster in both morning warm ups If I recall correctly) he finished both on damage control mode. What a comeback yesterday though. He is a truly rider extraordinaire.

Total votes: 34

Stoner Sandbagging? Impossible

From everything I've seen from Casey Stoner, and from all the times I've spoken to him, the one thing he never does is sandbag. He doesn't know how to. He only has one speed: as fast as the bike will go.

That can be a disadvantage, too: Valentino Rossi, for example, will go out and work on one sector of the track, the track that he and his crew think is most important. So Rossi looks like he's not doing so well, but really, he's holding another three tenths in the sectors he's not working on. If Stoner could learn to do that, he'd be even more terrifying than he already is.

Total votes: 36

It's an Aussie thing for sure...

I have learned to love the way Australians speak their minds. When Mat Mladin started showing up on the podium here in America I thought he was kind of cocky. It didn’t take me long to realize that what he was saying was almost always the way things actually were. Mat taught me to appreciate his honesty. I like someone to tell the truth even when it hurts.

I think Stoner is cut from the same cloth as Mat and it is refreshing to see someone that is honest about himself and his machinery. Mat never criticized his team and I don’t think Casey has either – good on ya mates.

May Mat and Casey’s tribe increase.

Total votes: 30

Bad start

I hope Casey is right about his bad start becasue his "technician" will look into his telemetry data. If Casey blew it, it will come out and damage even more a rather rare atmosphere in the red garage.

I like Casey more then any other rider, but he should grow up and face questions like Q1 with more character and wisdom. What happened to "we win as a team and we lose as a team"?

I hope to see him back in the top of the podium. He belongs there. Even his Championship chances are all but gone, he should give JLo a good run for his money.

As a Ducatista I don´t want to see Casey going to HRC. As an Stoner fan I´m positive he will be succesfull anywhere.

Total votes: 36

Casey must be on a red machine

I agree. I have been a huge Ducati fan (easy to read from my username!) - but over the last few years, have grown to become a big Casey fan too. He is a racer extraordinaire and unadorned. No fluff, just roll up sleeves and get the job done. He is brutally fast but fair - though his opinion of what constitutes fairness was somewhat different as he learned the hard way in Laguna 2 years ago - and has terrific multi-tasking ability while racing. I believe every word of what he has to say and really hope he stays in a red leather suit and on a red machine next year.

About Dani - I am not completely surprised - it took Dani a long while to come to grips with the fact that Casey was beating him in MotoGP. I reckon HRC would want to keep them both to bring out the best in both.

Total votes: 36

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im not sure if david was talking about this particular instance, but if you think of stoner saying 'not my fault, ask the technician' with a wry smile it makes it take a bit of a different meaning, almost like he was dodging the question and avoiding specifically mentioning a fault with his employers bike.

Total votes: 26

Nope

There is a video of casey answering that question on MotoGP.com.

He sounds very defensive and fingerpointing. IMO

Total votes: 33

aussie, aussie, aussie!

yes - stoner is an aussie & us aussie's ARE direct & blunt. we like it that way - where a man says what he means & means what he says - end of story.

its the aussie character & the north american character is totally different though completely charming in its own way.

the european is different again - hey, its an international sport & hence the people participating in this sport will have differing characters & slants on their pronouncements!

i LOVE the variety of expression, however the 'wave & ride' guys are a little too metrosexual for my liking! ;P

david does an awesome job of moderating & this thread is the first i have seen that comes close to descending into 'crash' territory! :)

for reasons of aforementioned cultural peculiarity, casey brings out the 'angry parent' in a lot of posters. this is a shame. cherish the diversity.

none of us has a clue what these racers are required to endure in this circus & certainly not from a standpoint of riding understanding, hence none of us has any business criticizing the 'feedback' said racers provide.

lastly, i do believe it is called 'racing' & as such is about winning & every man for himself. all this talk of 'team' player is a legacy of the corporate workplace & while these guys are paid highly (better than the average joe) & work for seriously wealthy corporations in some cases, they are STILL RACERS!!!!!!!!!!! individuals obsessed with WINNING for themselves first & foremost.

they are being used just as much as they may be perceived as using their employers - for the same end - WINS!

i may be wrong, but i don't think many racers receive gold watches at the end of their 25 years careers at their respective companies - in fact, they change employers in a way that would be scorned in the 'normal' world! who would have thought it?! ;)

thanks for enduring my rant, grammar & spelling!

Total votes: 35

sandbagging

Hmmm, I don't think he's sandbagging at all.

What is being good on the new GP10 for Nicky, and the newer Pramac recruit, is obviously not paying dividents with Casey. First you had the folding Ohlins fork problems, then the 6 engine rules is coming down heavier on the Ducatis that on the Hondas (the acceleration of the HRC is amazing and much stronger that the GP10's). And let's not forget these guys cannot ride the bike inbetween races and FP/QP/WUP so they have limited time to really actually work on the machine itself. Test riders are a good thing, but being nearly 2 sec off the pace in tests mean you're just "not in the zone" where things need to be dialled in.

True enough, he was twice first in WUP and didn't even fight for the podium when the flag was on, but look at how difficult it is for Nicky to get on the podium. He's sandbagging too ?

So, I really don't think sandbagging is happening at all and that a machiavelic sheme is on so Casey would loose and could depart to the HRC with no remorse...It's just the Ducati has lost its brilliance compared to the M1 and the Honda and much work is required to actually makes it go well.

Total votes: 38

Most of you are missing the point:

"Ask my technician that, because it wasn't my fault..." is not whining or blaming the team or trashing the bike.  Stoner is an analytical guy and aggressively pursues knowledge of his situation, but he is not a programmer for the ECU and throttle map.

Whether he had a wry smile at that moment or not, it is the only reasonable answer to a question that is out of his jurisdiction.  All of the electrons spent here on ulterior motive is a bit much.

I wouldn't want to sit there and say, "Well, I've been riding this bike a long time, and I did what I've always done (you know, when I used to get better starts than Pedrosa?!), but this is a new track, so I don't really know how much different the launch control code is..."

My answer would have been even less polite:  "I'm not a data guy, I've got no *#%&-ing idea."  And then I would have had a wry smile.

Total votes: 36

FWIW...

...when Stoner was consistently dusting the competition to the first corner (in 07-08), the question was put to him whether the electronics on the Desmosed were superior. Stoner at that time took credit for his impressive holeshot record, claiming that "I never use launch control". Presumably, this is a "hardware" problem with the clutch, not a "software" problem, then.

David, I stopped reading most other sites when MM came online (there are some others I visit, gpone, motogp, etc.) mainly because the "reports/analysis" on those sites seemed deliberately intended to stir up vitriol in their grammatically/cognitively challenged readers/posters. MM has really been a breath of fresh air--the quality and tone of the comments and especially that of the reporting is unique in our sport. Sadly, reading this thread, I noticed several usernames from those sites are now among us, and I can't shake this sinking feeling of "it was nice while it lasted".

Total votes: 32

Guys and Trolls

Dr. Evol, you'll find your intelligent and considered mm commentary still exists on the Forum - there's only been one thread in two years where it went crazy due to one obstinate fanboi who has now been banned from the tribe - as well as the main page comments from about 98% of posters 98% of the time.

Stoner has attracted, worldwide, a hard core of detractors whose fanaticism in pursuit of this at least equals some of the more fervent Rossi fans. As you say, those same names appear on many of the sites such as Crash, MCN, Visordown - in reality, a few dozen people who stalk the 'net looking for places to spread their unpleasantness. It, and not racing, seems to be their raison d'etre. Ultimately, ignoring them completely will starve them of oxygen.

Total votes: 32

Running the lap pace . . .

Running the "lap pace" isn't at all the same thing as being in contention for the win, as Stoner's results this season clearly demonstrate.

It hardly matters if you're running the leader's pace if you're clearly out of podium contention. it's easy to run fast against the second and third stringers (for MotoGP racers who are supposed to be contending champions).

Funny how it's "not his fault". OK, fair enough . . . but two bins and a wildly faulty start out of, what, 6 races so far this season? And NONE of that is his fault?

What is it, exactly, that separates Champions from almost rans?

Feels a lot like this is exactly it--when they're not in a lucky year when all the rules have changed and their bike has been the lucky one that got it right.

Anybody who can ride in a MotoGP race and finish within the top 10%--much less get a podium or win--is a champion rider, and that includes Casey Stoner.

But these excuses are nothing but pathetic.

Total votes: 37

Caseys excuses?

Pathetic excuses? That's a bit harsh. Aside from the start the guy rode a brilliant race! He never gave in and closed up a large gap to get on to the back of the second group and I'll bet he could almost smell a podium close to the finish. For my money that groups battle towards the end made this one one of the best races I've seen in years. He managed his tyres really well and that could easily have brought him undone at the rate he was pushing to get back up to the leading riders.

He speaks his mind, sometimes too quickly and sometimes to his detriment but he strikes me as being very honest and up front. If he stuffs up he'll often admit it even after the fact (ie. the Valentino thing at Laguna Seca)

He does come across as though he needs someone to get inside his head again and remind him of what he was doing previously when he was really hitting his straps. Tech issues aside there has to be lots of pressure on him and he is dealing with it in his own fashion. I think there's also a bit of cheekiness in what he says at times so take it with a grain of salt (and some detractors might just need to htfu).Get JB to sit and have a long chat with him and I reckon he'd come good again (not that that will happen :-)).

Total votes: 34

Just for the record.

I am not a 'Stoner fan' (or fan of any other specific rider) but since I do respect the guy and the 'Stoner never admitting mistakes' virus seems to be pretty contagious:

“I have made some mistakes at times this year and at other times we have struggled to find the right set-up.”

"However, in the sixth lap, when I lost the front, there was absolutely nothing I could do to control it. It was a big mistake, a stupid one."

"The mistake I made past halfway was mine."

“I think if I hadn't made that mistake on the second lap and ruined my footrest, I might have been able to catch up with Jorge.”

"It was my mistake and I've apologised to the team.”

Total votes: 30

Thank...

...you!

Total votes: 35

:)

Maybe Raul507 should have to read that ...

Total votes: 32

My 2 cents on all this is

My 2 cents on all this is that Casey hasn't been the same rider since puking in his helmet last season and taking a vacation midseason. Sure he turned in some fast laps at the end of the race and made up some ground but right now he's the second best rider on a GP10. And since Stoner has only finished ahead of his own teammate once in five races any championship talk is very, very premature.

Total votes: 33

I can't wait...

For Casey to join Honda again, it makes for a very expensive team, as he is known to land on his head quite a bit on Hondas, specially on 1000cc.

FernandoARG

Total votes: 24

Ho hum tedious old line Fernando

But what the hell I take the bait. 2006. 20 year old MotoGP rookie Casey was on a satellite Honda riding very inconsistent B grade Michelins and competing rather well with one very established V Rossi. A pole, podium and fastest lap. Pretty damn impressive debut season I say given the tools at hand.

Total votes: 37

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