Ducati Recognizes Problems, Reorganizes Hayden's Pit Crew

One of the most perplexing issues of the 800cc era has been the question of the Ducati Desmosedici GP7, GP8 and GP9. The remarkable and incredibly innovative motorcycle has one world title and 18 victories to its name from just 39 races, a strike rate impressively close to 50%. But look more closely at those awe-inspiring results and you see a much darker side to the Ducati, a side which makes a nonsense of all those victories.

Of the 18 victories recorded on the 800cc Desmosedici, 17 were taken by Casey Stoner, as was the 2007 world title. Of the 394 points which gained Ducati the constructor's title in 2007, 367 were scored by Stoner, the Australian only beaten by another Ducati three times that year, and beating his team mate Loris Capirossi - the man who had been a title contender in 2006 - by over 200 points, or 11 points a race, on average. In 2008, Stoner could "only" manage to best Toni Elias, the next Ducati rider, by 188 points. So far this season, Casey Stoner has already racked up 54 points, 75% more than the other four (!) Ducati riders combined.

Anyone doubting that the problem is with the bike need only look at the riders who have been teamed with Casey Stoner. Loris Capirossi is a three-time world champion, with two titles in the 125 class and one in 250s; Marco Melandri is another former 250 champ, as well as a MotoGP runner-up; while current team mate Nicky Hayden is one of an elite group of riders - including Casey Stoner - to have beaten Valentino Rossi to the MotoGP title. This is no ragtag crew of journeymen and also-rans, these are among the very best riders in the world, and yet they have all proven incapable of taming the Bologna Beast.

The reasons the Ducati is so difficult to ride have been speculated on extensively, but all of the riders (well, all but Casey Stoner, that is) have spoken of a lack of trust in the bike, and especially a lack of predictability. The bike is hard to set up, and at Jerez, Nicky Hayden told reporters that the bike felt like it had "a mind of its own. The thing that's hard about this bike is it always feels different. Sometimes the carburation fixes itself, so every lap's not the same." And all talk that Casey Stoner just trusts his traction control has been consigned to the garbage can too. At the Spanish Grand Prix, Hayden admitted that he used far more traction control than Stoner, the Australian using hardly any traction control at all.

Finally, even Ducati have had to admit there's a problem. In the pre-race press release for this weekend's MotoGP round at Le Mans, Ducati announced that the team on Hayden's side of the garage would be reshuffled. Current Hayden crew chief and track engineer Cristhian Pupulin, will be handing over the role of crew chief to Juan Martinez. Martinez joins Ducati from Kawasaki, where he was Ant West's crew chief last year, but he is no stranger to the Ducati team. Martinez spent a year there with Sete Gibernau in 2006, who he had followed to Ducati from the Gresini Honda team.

Martinez is both well-known and well-respected in the paddock, and helped Gibernau to poles and victories while at Gresini, at the time sponsored by Movistar. Most importantly, Martinez speaks both Italian and English well, an issue which had been troubling the relationship between Pupulin and Hayden, Pupulin having difficulty following Hayden's Kentucky drawl and southern slang.

It would be wrong to paint this as a demotion for Pupulin, however. Relieved of crew chief duties, Pupulin will be free to concentrate on his role as track engineer, and, as the press release puts it, spend more time focusing on purely analyzing the data from all the Ducati riders. Pupulin first joined the Ducati team as track engineer for Carlos Checa back in 2005, but switched to Loris Capirossi in the Italian's best season, 2006. Since then, he has worked with both Capirossi and Melandri, and so through his career, Pupulin has seen both great success and abject failure. He has clearly been able to make the 990cc Ducati fly for Capirossi, but despite a victory for Capirex at Motegi, Pupulin has had little success making the 800cc bike work for the riders he has worked with.

The move seems to be aimed at a number of things. First and foremost is to improve the communication on the Hayden side of the garage. If the American feels his feedback is being correctly understood, he should be able to spend more time on track, gathering data and improving his base setup, which is what has troubled Hayden. After working with an Australian for a year, Martinez should have fewer problems reaching an understanding with a Kentuckian.

But secondly, the move is a sign that Ducati recognize the problems with the GP9. By allowing Pupulin to spend more time on the data from all of the Ducatis (and the press release is very specific on this matter), the team hope to be able to develop the bike from a beast which only one man can tame to a more docile animal which a broader range of riders can master.

If anything, the reorganization underlines the fact that Casey Stoner's speed is down to his incredible skill, rather than the ability of the bike. A large number of fans - often given to wearing yellow - have declared Stoner's success to be just down to the speed of the bike, painting the Australian merely as a capable passenger, rather than a skilled operator. But a closer examination of Casey Stoner's first season in MotoGP, aboard a very satellite spec Honda and at the bottom of the Michelin pecking order when it came to tires, demonstrated Stoner's true ability.

The Australian was forced to extract the maximum out of what he was given, a task he sometimes overstepped, gaining him a reputation as a crasher. It is looking more and more like this is what Stoner is doing at Ducati as well, extracting everything he can out of the difficult Ducati. Stoner's speed, it seems, is more despite of the Ducati, rather than because of it.

With Ducati focusing more of its effort on making the GP9 more rideable, it would appear that they, too, are starting to understand this fact. Back at Borgo Panigale, they now know they have to tame the Bologna Beast. On present form, if they lose Casey Stoner through accident or injury, the Hayate would be handing them their behinds. Being beaten by a bike with no development, ridden by a man whose career they helped write off in 2008, is a sign of just how much trouble Ducati are really in.

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stoner vs ducati vs hayden

all i can say about stoner is that burgess wanted him.

side note:
"After working with an Australian for a year, Martinez should have fewer problems reaching an understanding with a Kentuckian."

Total votes: 49

I'm not really a big Stoner fan...

There doesn't seem to be a shortage of Stoner fans with chips on the old shoulder (himself included). But I think anyone saying it's just the bike aren't really informed. Stoner was great in the 250s versus Pedrosa. He almost caught him in the points by the end of the year and that was when Honda had a dominant 250. When he came up to MotoGP he was on a non-factory squad with a one-bike team that was new to the class and still showed glimmers of things to come. I think if Stoner were on the factory Yamaha or even Honda teams he'd be running with the front 4 riders week in and week out like he is on the Ducati.

Don't forget that Burgess spoke highly of Depuniet as well. Maybe Randy just needs a chance on a factory bike too!

Total votes: 47

That right there SAYS IT ALL...

On present form, if they lose Casey Stoner through accident or injury, the Hayate would be handing them their behinds. Being beaten by a bike with no development, ridden by a man whose career they helped write off in 2008, is a sign of just how much trouble Ducati are really in.

Total votes: 45

Worst fears

I just don't think Hayden can push the Ducati like Stoner pushes it: fast immediately, past its limit, bucking it through corners, etc. Hayden always rode hundreds of laps to get accustomed to his bikes, getting faster all the time, often culminating in one hot qualifying lap. The new tire regulations, shortened testing season and practice sessions have made it impossible for him to come to terms at his pace.

In addition, Nicky's dirttrack riding style just hasn't worked with the 800s. He was never a high midcorner speed rider, and that's the fast way around the track on an 800. He hasn't been able to adapt to the 250 style that everyone at the front of the pack uses.

Those are the negatives, but there are lots of reasons for positive thoughts: Hayden will never give up, Ducati seem prepared to do whatever it takes to make him succeed, and he now has a teammate that he can actually talk to. Still, this season's start has had to confirm his worst fears.

Total votes: 51

"Still, this season's start

"Still, this season's start has had to confirm his worst fears."

Your points are well made, and I agree with your assessments.

However, not even in his darkest moments could Hayden have predicted the awful weather of the first two rounds and that he'd be speared by another rider.

All of which have diminished the precious amount of track time available.

I'm anxious to hear what Bayliss and company come up with during their test sessions. Ducati does seem to be taking quite seriously the problem that Stoner is the only rider capable of good results.

Total votes: 49

Ducati for everyone

I think it was Cal Rayborn who was asked by Bart Markel back in the late 60’s how to road race at Daytona. Markel had high bars on his Harley and was all aggression and elbows and struggle – a dirt tracker trying to ride the asphalt. Rayborn said ‘What could I tell him? I wouldn’t be within half a lap of him in the mile”.

And here we see the play of subtle differences. Markel was a very successful dirtracker, but it didn’t translate to the road. Would he have been as good as a roadracer if he hadn’t ridden the dirt? I’d wager he would not. If Toseland couldn’t play the piano, would he be further upfront in the MotoGP results?

Huh you say? What is this idiot on about? MotoGP highlights very small differences in an extreme contest with very highly trained and developed athletes. I’m talking of something innate, of exclusionary abilities. Has Toseland’s ability to play the piano well potentially watered down slightly his capability (admittedly, still very high) in this other arena? Is he just ever so slightly more the generalist? Don’t misunderstand me here, I’m not saying if Toseland gave up the piano he would win. It’s not a lack of focus. I’m talking of something innate, of exclusionary abilities. Remind yourself – athletes who excel at this sort of level are freaks. They are not normal.

Think of the Tiger Woods, the Michael Jordans. These people don’t exactly grow on trees.

The Ducati is marginally unstable. That’s my guess. This doesn’t bother Stoner but other riders find the situation more difficult, and they lose confidence in the bike. Michael Schumacher had this ability too, I believe – he could drive a car that other drivers were put off by. So is Stoner the better rider? In this situation, where the desired result is winning, he is undoubtedly the most useful to Ducati. But is he the most sensitive rider, with the highest level of finesse? I’m not sure I’d have him developing the bike for other riders to use.

And that surely is the horns of Ducati’s dilemma (and will Bayliss add anything more to the equation? He’s another Stoner).

Total votes: 45

"And all talk that Casey

"And all talk that Casey Stoner just trusts his traction control has been consigned to the garbage can too. At the Spanish Grand Prix, Hayden admitted that he used far more traction control than Stoner, the Australian using hardly any traction control at all."

Can this be verified?

Total votes: 39

Randy Mamola has been saying

Randy Mamola has been saying this for years, it's hardly news.

Total votes: 48

Long and short of it...

Stoner is amazing, and the GP7/8/9 is not. Powerful, yes, "rider friendly", no (yes, I know... I'm a regular captain obvious).

The point being, to my understanding, the whole reason Ducati hired Hayden was because they thought his dirt track background would translate well to the GP9. Stoner remember, started as a speedway racer... This line of thinking isn't panning out so far. So time to change the bike...

Crazy thought, but had Ducati not taken a chance on Stoner, they might not even be in GP anymore... would it really be worth the investment without Stoner for the 20 something points they probably would've scored over the last three years without him?

Total votes: 54

It never ceases....

to amaze me...the capacity of smart people to act so dumb on occassion.

After all the testing, race results, rider de-briefings etc. it finally dawns on them that..IT IS THE BIKE..duh

Can we assume that Melandri's results are the final clue that brought about this epiphany? Double duh. Just like Hayden in '07, World championship winning riders don't forget how to ride...there is usually a reason for lack of results...and the bike should logically be a good place to start...FIRST.

I'm affraid that corporate pride & engineer's egos are blinding these people from the immediate goal, much to their detriment. You would think that after Honda's numerous blunders of blaming riders & wasting time pursuing engineering dead-ends, they'd know better.

krka 1073

or perhaps Stoner has been the "problem" for Ducati. Instead of high-5' ing themselves because of his success, they could have spent more time correcting the inherent problems with the bike instead of believing it was a rider problem.

Total votes: 39

or perhaps Stoner has been the "problem" for Ducati.

Seems like Stoner became the unintended consequences of Ducati, akin to Dani in Honda, lol.

Total votes: 49

sometimes i hate being right

Hayden should be at Tech 3 next to Colin. If he was there, i think he would be top 5 in the championship easy.
Lets pray, that Nicky and Troy get together and discuss what he needs to do to get the GP09 to work for him..

Total votes: 56

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